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Deceit, Desire, and the Literature Professor: Why Girardians Exist (2012)

22 点作者 shrikant大约 1 年前

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dudeinjapan大约 1 年前
One of the big problems with Girard is that &quot;needs&quot; for survival--oxygen, water, food, body temperature--are most certainly not mimetic. I don&#x27;t need to breathe oxygen just because I saw someone else do it first. These &quot;needs&quot; are on a spectrum--for example, not eating for 3 days may not kill me, but surely I would <i>desire</i> to eat if I did (and not because someone else made eating &quot;cool&quot;.) Any desire an infant (not yet capable of observing others) might have in response to pain&#x2F;pleasure stimulus is not mimetic. Or Hellen Keller whose senses are impaired, etc. So it&#x27;s a rather flawed premise.
slibhb大约 1 年前
Understood metaphorically, the &quot;thetan hypothesis&quot; might be partly true. It belongs with other psychoanalytic theories which, while out of vogue today, probably contain some truth.<p>With regard to Girdard, there&#x27;s a broad pattern here where prominent thinkers realize something and then interpret <i>everything</i> in light of that realization (the article gets into this but I don&#x27;t think satisfactorily). Obviously thinkers are making an error when they univerisalize their idea -- but that&#x27;s what makes them great thinkers: they give us a new, strangely plausible way of looking at the world. People who are skeptical rarely make waves (unless they take their skepticism to extremes).<p>I&#x27;m not sure where this leaves us. Maybe every &quot;great thinker&quot; is a mountebank? I&#x27;d be more kind than that. It&#x27;s probably good to have these highly idiosyncractic worldviews floating around, even if they&#x27;re always partly false. Perhaps they cause us to reexamine the world or act as useful tools for us to navigate life with.
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prionassembly大约 1 年前
Every time I think &quot;oh Jean-Yves Girard&quot;.<p>Besides being perhaps the logician of note of the 20th century (against considerable &quot;competition&quot;), he&#x27;s become an important philosopher in the 21st. I think he realizes he&#x27;s become a philosopher, although it would seem (from private correspondence) that he doesn&#x27;t find philosophy all that important, let alone that he&#x27;s such an important one.<p>The recommended book-length treatment of Girardian ideas is &quot;The Phantom of Transparence&quot;. The TED talk version is this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Nc3pgZxU-Cg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Nc3pgZxU-Cg</a><p>I often tell people to watch the video even if they don&#x27;t know one &quot;euh&quot; of French. There&#x27;s something about the energy in it that already conveys so much.<p>----<p>I can&#x27;t honestly evaluate the other, minor Girard because of the homonymy. It&#x27;s unfortunate.
ckemere大约 1 年前
I don’t necessarily hold Girard to be correct, but I do find immediate flaws in the reasoning. I only desire to swim because someone taught me to swim (at considerable effort). I only know who Zooey and Ann are because they have been presented to me in the media.<p>It’s clear that humans have sensations like hunger or thirst that are purely individual, but that doesn’t imply that the desires for things that interact with those sensations arise individually?
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kouru225大约 1 年前
&gt;He’s thinking, say, about the time I watched Quentin Tarantino’s Kill Bill just because my good friend Lanier recommended it to me. Fair enough; I did watch that movie just because Lanier recommended it to me, and because I trust his judgment. But then it turned out to be one of the worst films of all time,<p>I was enjoying this article until I found out the author has terrible taste.
signalburn大约 1 年前
I think Girard&#x27;s Christianity may have influenced his thinking.<p>I also think that, as far as Capitalism is concerned, this may be the perfect framework to understand human beings.<p>I&#x27;d love to expand on these ideas but my brain isn&#x27;t playing nice today.