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Early Bitcoin Investor Roger Ver Charged with Tax Fraud

76 点作者 datascienced大约 1 年前

13 条评论

111111101101大约 1 年前
I&#x27;ll never forget &quot;Bitcoin Jesus&quot; making this video: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=UP1YsMlrfF0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=UP1YsMlrfF0</a>
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afc大约 1 年前
Not very surprising. He had already been arrested, back in 2002, for selling illegal stuff on eBay. He was somewhat of an <i>attacker</i> of Bitcoin, promoting his &quot;bcash&quot; fork.
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blackhawkC17大约 1 年前
&gt; Around that time, Ver allegedly took possession of those bitcoins and in November 2017 sold tens of thousands of them on cryptocurrency exchanges for approximately $240 million in cash.<p>&gt; Even though Ver was not then a U.S. citizen, he was still legally required to report to the IRS and pay tax on certain distributions such as dividends from MemoryDealers and Agilestar, which were U.S. corporations.<p>&gt; In total, Ver is alleged to have caused a loss to the IRS of at least $48 million.<p>Lesson: You can’t run away from Uncle Sam even after signing away your citizenship.
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janmo大约 1 年前
Very interesting that he got arrested in Spain for tax fraud, just like John McAfee.<p>Things look quite bad for him, he went all in on Bitcoin Cash, and even used leverage. He defaulted on CoinFLEX and owes them $47M in USDC. Roger Ver went from owning 131,000 Bitcoins in 2014 (worth almost 8 billion USD as of today) to pretty much broke.
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Hermel大约 1 年前
More and more countries are implementing an &quot;exit tax&quot; when wealthy people try to give up their citizenship. Also, the US authorities make it increasingly hard to do so. I wouldn&#x27;t recommend anyone to become a US citizen. Once you are in, it is very costly to get out again.
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TheDudeMan大约 1 年前
Interesting title by justice.gov. Tax evasion is illegal regardless of your background &#x2F; investment portfolio, so why relevant? Sowing sentiment?
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hggh大约 1 年前
&gt; Ver was arrested this weekend in Spain based on the U.S. criminal charges.<p>John McAfee was also arrested in Spain in 2021 for tax evasion taxes, and was found dead in prison.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27609027">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27609027</a>
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keyme大约 1 年前
Isn&#x27;t there some kind of statue of limitations in us tax law? That&#x27;s stuff from 11 years ago.
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vdddv大约 1 年前
@MemoryDealers but not active here apart from a 2012 comment <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;threads?id=MemoryDealers">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;threads?id=MemoryDealers</a>
tmn007大约 1 年前
I remember getting the cisco compatible switch optics from Memory dealers. Heaps cheaper than Cisco- $5 an optic compared to $1000.
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andrewstuart大约 1 年前
Look, if you owe lots of tax its because you made lots of money. Pay the tax, be happy.<p>I just don&#x27;t get why some people are so obsessed with not paying tax.<p>You don&#x27;t have to pay tax when you didn&#x27;t earn money so stop being so stingy.<p>I know lots of people who go to extraordinary lengths to reduce the amount of tax they will pay <i>even if it means they end up with less money in their pocket</i>. It&#x27;s crazy. Needing to pay tax seem to make some people go nuts.<p>I know one person who would rather make half the salary because it means less is paid in tax. I just roll my eyes.<p>Just pay it. It pays for defence, education, health, government services and a bajillion other things.<p>Get a grip, tax obsessives.
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nullc大约 1 年前
Fun fact: Ver&#x27;s twitter account <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;rogerkver&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;rogerkver&#x2F;</a> has the &quot;Government agent&quot; grey checkmark.
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kaliqt大约 1 年前
Absolute power corrupts absolutely, never has this been more obvious to see than when nation states gain excessive power over others.