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JPEG XL and Google's War Against It

77 点作者 OuterVale大约 1 年前

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ssttoo大约 1 年前
Here’s a “Give JXL a chance” song <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=VJaa1Le4W7c" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=VJaa1Le4W7c</a>
unlord大约 1 年前
The article claims that &quot;Google wants control, and JPEG XL could take that away from them&quot; however this is disingenuous. The JPEG XL format was co-authored <i>by</i> Google employees, and they have just as much say over the direction of that format as they do WebP.<p>The JPEG XL authors make claims about it&#x27;s superiority over formats like AVIF, but there is no support or even timeline for hardware encode or decode on important platforms like mobile.<p>By contrast, Qualcomm is adding support for AV1 encoding to Snapdragon X (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.qualcomm.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;mobile&#x2F;snapdragon&#x2F;pcs-and-tablets&#x2F;snapdragon-x-plus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.qualcomm.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;mobile&#x2F;snapdragon&#x2F;pcs-and-...</a>) which could lead to efficient encoding of AVIF photos and animations.
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jdashg大约 1 年前
It&#x27;s superficial analysis to assume that when Mozilla agrees with Google, it&#x27;s about money. That&#x27;s merely correlation.<p>Other people and organizations can disagree with your arguments in ways that you don&#x27;t think are logical or sound, but that doesn&#x27;t mean they aren&#x27;t just based on different weights and criteria. It&#x27;s not useful to assume the decision criteria, because it becomes too easy to declare yourself right yet be confused why other people don&#x27;t recognize it.<p>Never simply attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence, but also never simply attribute to incompetence what can be explained by disagreement.
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nextaccountic大约 1 年前
Why doesn&#x27;t Firefox support JPEG XL?
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orangesite大约 1 年前
This article should be forwarded to the US gov antitrust division. I suspect it would be of great interest given their current activities.
pornel大约 1 年前
The article has a warped timeline of WebP, with incorrect speculation, and missing key points.<p>WebP has been created in the rush of wild optimism after Google has freed the VP8 video format (WebM). VP8 has been strategically important for them (and YouTube), because before then Web video has been at mercy of Flash, Silverlight, and threatened by H.264 patent royalties.<p>The WebP format has been rushed. It didn&#x27;t go through a usual standards process. The VP8 codec turned out to be not so great, especially poor for still images. VP8 has lost to H.264, and meanwhile Cisco has found a loophole to sponsor H.264 royalties for all browsers.<p>Other vendors have rejected WebP, partly because it was a non-standard Google&#x27;s own thing (uncool move at a time when WHATWG was at its peak), but mainly because it just wasn&#x27;t good enough, compared to optimized JPEG (Mozilla created MozJPEG to prove the point). Their bar for adoption is very high, since they&#x27;re worried about maintaining things <i>forever</i>, bug-compatibility issues from a single implementation, increased code size, and attack surface.<p>Mozilla and Safari have been resisting adoption of WebP for about 10 years. They&#x27;ve relented not because WebP got a &quot;stable release&quot; (total nonsense in the article), but because their bug trackers kept getting reports of Chrome-only websites and buggy HTTP content-negotiation that kept serving them &quot;broken&quot; images, to the point it started hurting their compatibility and costing them users.<p>----<p>With AVIF we&#x27;ve had the repeat of the video rush. Web has been once again been threatened by commercial H.265, with even messier and more expensive licensing, and no Cisco loophole this time. Browser vendors have banded around and adopted AV1 format ASAP to prevent dominance of H.265 on the Web.<p>And just like WebP has been riding adoption of VP8, AVIF was riding on adoption of AV1. And once again, a video codec turned ot to be suboptimal for still images. Browsers didn&#x27;t really care about adopting <i>any</i> image format. They cared about adoption of AV1 video, and AVIF got a pass only because it was almost for &quot;free&quot; (it&#x27;s basically a 1-frame video file).<p>(BTW, AV1 is based on VP10 + contributions from other vendors. This kinda makes it a descendant of WebP.)<p>So from the perspective of browser vendors not really wanting any new image format, and getting one anyway, and AVIF being good enough to not need an urgent replacement, there&#x27;s simply no appetite left for adopting yet another format. Browser vendors still don&#x27;t like adding more code, and are still afraid of compatibility issues and attack surface.<p>The conspiracies about money and power are hilarious.