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Flock Safety is the biggest player in a city-by-city scramble for surveillance

115 点作者 apwheele大约 1 年前

27 条评论

rbranson大约 1 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;XRoZ1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;XRoZ1</a>
tkems大约 1 年前
One of the Flock cameras was installed in my city nearby where I live. Once I noticed it, I thought it was a red light camera at first since it was near an intersection.<p>I did some research on them and found that they are completely wireless (cellular network most of the time) and powered by a 65w solar panel. Since they capture every license plate that passes by, I wasn&#x27;t thrilled it was a private company keeping the data, even if they say they only keep it for 30 days.<p>I did a FOIA request with my city to see how many are in use and their locations to share with my community. I also plan on asking why my city thinks it is a good use of tax dollars. I think it should be a requirement for cities to disclose their use since it is a private company installing private equipment (and a camera at that!) on public land to monitor the public.
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advisedwang大约 1 年前
The SCALE of the surveillance is really the important thing.<p>Many comments here correctly point out that you don&#x27;t have an expectation of privacy in public. But that rule was really created envisioning the occasional person observing the occasional person&#x2F;act&#x2F;event. Even a cop tailing you is so expensive that its not deployed everywhere. The rule did not anticipate a system where every person is observed all the time. This is a situation where &quot;quantity has a quality all of it&#x27;s own&quot;.<p>Mass surveillance needs to be held to higher standard than regular public observation.
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toomuchtodo大约 1 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.muckrock.com&#x2F;foi&#x2F;list&#x2F;?page=1&amp;per_page=100&amp;q=flock" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.muckrock.com&#x2F;foi&#x2F;list&#x2F;?page=1&amp;per_page=100&amp;q=flo...</a> (&quot;Muckrock: Flock Safety FOIA Requests&quot;)<p>Feel free to spin up a FOIA request for your local jurisdiction using previous requests as a template.
cm2012大约 1 年前
Huge huge fan of increased surveillance in public places. The reason is that it&#x27;s pretty well proven that likelihood of getting caught for crimes is much better at deterrence than severity of sentence. By enforcing crimes more consistently, we can actually reduce incarceration.
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krunck大约 1 年前
Government uses private entities to get around the constitution. Private entities use the government to get around regulation. Same as it ever was.
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ApolloFortyNine大约 1 年前
The 10% of crimes (700k+ total) being solved in part due to Flock is insane.<p>I&#x27;m guessing they couldn&#x27;t make this claim if it wasn&#x27;t at least partly true, and they already include the caveat of &#x27;solved&#x27; so it&#x27;s not just &#x27;tips&#x27;.<p>Truly impressive honestly, for a company started in 2017 to have that much of an impact.
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DavidPeiffer大约 1 年前
This is an ever expanding privacy concern. It&#x27;s tough to locate all of the cameras, but I would be interested in a routing system built in OpenStreetMap which would avoid road segments containing the cameras.
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denimnerd42大约 1 年前
A shopping center nearby uses flock to &quot;ticket&quot; and fine employees that park in residential streets (which creates bad relations with neighbors) instead of the designated remote parking. I guess part of the lease&#x2F;employment agreement states the proper directions or fine will be incurred. An employee drives around in a golf cart with an app&#x2F;website&#x2F;scanner&#x2F;not sure. I know they use Flock though because it&#x27;s been mentioned in community zoning meetings w&#x2F; regards to their expansion efforts.<p>Kind of interesting you can pay for a private service which will uncloak license plates. I wonder how much it is as I&#x27;d love to uncloak neighborhood speeders too.
delduca大约 1 年前
About 33 years ago, the band Death was already discussing the end of privacy in their song &#x27;1000 Eyes&#x27;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;oldtimemusic.com&#x2F;the-meaning-behind-the-song-1000-eyes-by-death&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;oldtimemusic.com&#x2F;the-meaning-behind-the-song-1000-ey...</a>
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juris大约 1 年前
XD so would it be illegal to blast IR to cover your plate specifically tuned to these cameras if they are private domain?
zachmu大约 1 年前
Very cool company, now involved in solving 10% of reported crime in the US.<p>They use DoltDB to version control their machine learning feature store:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dolthub.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2024-03-07-dolt-flock&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dolthub.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2024-03-07-dolt-flock&#x2F;</a>
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heroprotagonist大约 1 年前
I don&#x27;t disagree that it&#x27;s bad, but this article seems to give the impression that this is new. TLO (owned by TransUnion since 2014) has been selling this stuff since the 2000s.<p>Basically, assume any parking lot or other surveillance camera you come across is reporting back either the raw data itself or the processed data, like which license plate has been seen. Even the tiny mom-and-pop&#x27;s, through some deal with either their (or whoever they lease property from&#x27;s) surveillance or software provider.<p>And it&#x27;s regularly been abused by bad actors among debt collectors, private investigators, police, and background check companies selling their access. Like to amateur rap crews from North Carolina, in this example:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;thomasbrewster&#x2F;2018&#x2F;10&#x2F;12&#x2F;how-an-amateur-rap-crew-stole-surveillance-tech-that-tracks-almost-every-american&#x2F;?sh=72ec542f50f1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;thomasbrewster&#x2F;2018&#x2F;10&#x2F;12&#x2F;how-a...</a><p>So.. yeah, call attention to the practice and the fact it&#x27;s expanding, that more and more companies are gaining and selling the data. But it minimizes the scope and scale of the problem to focus on one relatively new company&#x27;s actions over the course of a few years.
narrator大约 1 年前
Kind of feels like they are implementing China like full blow AI surveillance state here, and just waiting to flip the switch on it. They probably have all the bills sitting in a drawer somewhere for the next pandemic or whatever the heck happens that justifies emergency measures.
baggy_trough大约 1 年前
These have been deployed in my neighborhood, and I&#x27;m very happy with that. It&#x27;s the best technique the police have to catch home burglars, of which there are an ever increasing number, I believe due to soft on crime policies.
blackeyeblitzar大约 1 年前
Most of the comments here are against the use of cameras to monitor public spaces. But how else is society supposed to deal with crime while limiting expense on police officers, detectives, prosecutors, and all that? Surveillance and AI powered surveillance (with human verification) seems like a good way to track and identify and capture criminals. I definitely think there should be some regulation to protect the data, require probable cause, warrants, or whatever - but I don’t think banning it is the right answer either. Unless we are willing to become harsher on crime in other ways to deter it.
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sleepskeptic大约 1 年前
The scary thing is it records video. They now have your driving habits, and so do any cop in the US &amp; Canada.
JudasGoat大约 1 年前
Seeing as many modern cars have camera arrays. I wonder if an auto manufacturer could sell access to their camera network to &quot;authorities&quot; as a more effective surveillance application?
flawsofar大约 1 年前
Why not just name your company Freedom Surveillance while you’re at it
jesprenj大约 1 年前
Access Denied You don&#x27;t have permission to access &quot;<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newsobserver.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;state&#x2F;north-carolina&#x2F;article286920890.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newsobserver.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;state&#x2F;north-carolina&#x2F;articl...</a>&quot; on this server. Reference #18.7517655f.1714571129.4034487<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;errors.edgesuite.net&#x2F;18.7517655f.1714571129.4034487" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;errors.edgesuite.net&#x2F;18.7517655f.1714571129.4034487</a>
Giorgi大约 1 年前
I am surprised police dep actually paid for that, where I live, they would just show up and take any kind of access for free.
bobsmith432大约 1 年前
Why is this legal? Who allows this? What do we do?
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alxjsn大约 1 年前
Why is the title &quot;Claude Team plan and iOS app&quot;? Did this submission get renamed incorrectly?
Kilonzus大约 1 年前
Hm very strange the title did have to do with Flock Safety when it was first posted and now is referencing Claude not sure of user error or something to do with hacker news. I’ll put a tin foil hat on for just a second, Flock Safety is a graduate of Y Combinator so maybe the misnaming is not as innocent as it may seem?<p>My 2 cents: I live in the Atlanta metro and it’s crazy just how much Flock has permeated communities. From main streets to small neighborhoods flock safety cameras are in use everywhere, it is off putting. I’m not sure if HOAs are the ones OKing them or if it’s the city but having a private corporation able to run cameras that read plates and can potentially surveil home consistently seems like undue erosion of privacy
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JLCarveth大约 1 年前
Is there an issue with the title? I don&#x27;t see what Claude has to do with this article...
greentxt大约 1 年前
In the long run this will enable more crime than it deters. If I have a target I could determine where they are at all times, what they do, train models on their behavior and get social network info, etc…<p>I’m sure the claim will be that the system is secure and not easy for criminals to use for criminal purposes but everyone here knows or should know that’s a falsehood. It cannot be secured and will be used by adversaries against law abiding citizens.
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chzblck大约 1 年前
Whats the issue? police using for nefarious deeds that they get caught and fired for like in the article? or is it people think that privacy is a right but then have 10+ apps on their phone that track every movement they make?
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