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Panic's Cabel Sasser on "Maximum Viable Products"

42 点作者 HenrikJoreteg将近 13 年前

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arkitaip将近 13 年前
MVP is an approach for startups that navigate in unknown and very risky waters, not knowing if they will even have paying customers. Now, we could certainly discuss the merits and validity of MVP but what the Coda 2 team does - web dev app a la Dreamweaver - seems so opposite to what startups have to go through that it makes sense that they go for "maximum viable products". Also, once you move beyond the first big release of your product (which Coda 2 has) I'm not sure you can create a mvp anymore.
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jacobolus将近 13 年前
The problem I have with the Coda approach, which is shared by other IDEs (and plenty of other kinds of software too), is that the interface components are overly specific to particular workflows and environments, and each tool complects multiple features/concepts. This (a) makes it harder to learn each individual part, (b) makes composing those parts to meet personal needs more difficult, and (c) makes it so learning those tools doesn’t point toward anything greater – you can’t take what you learn with you to new environments that weren’t anticipated by the original tool authors. Additionally, these kinds of tools tend to isolate users from the systems underneath, creating dependency. I much prefer when tool-builders think long and hard about making simple, orthogonal tools, designed to be composed together to meet diverse needs. As long as the individual components are explorable, such tools teach their users more fundamental concepts and allow them to grow over time.<p>When implemented well, an environment like Coda can be very productive in the niches for which it was designed, but in only offering a standard workspace and set of tools to everyone, it denies users the chance to build their own workspaces and pick &#38; hone their own tools. This infantilizes and shelters those users, limiting them in the longer term.
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apike将近 13 年前
This highlights the core tradeoff when developing a new product.<p>"Don't waste time" vs. "Don't ship crap"<p>"Fail fast" vs. "Wow your customers"<p>"Ship early, ship often" vs. "Sweat the details"<p>The MVP philosophy focuses on the left side. The Apple philosophy focuses on the right side. Leaning to the left side is efficient, and might be necessary to stay alive. Leaning to the right side can be immensely satisfying and profitable.<p>A lot of companies can only afford to fail fast. However, if you can afford to sweat the details like Apple or Valve, there's nothing else like it.
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pirateking将近 13 年前
Minimum viable product does not mean a product shipped as fast and cheaply as possible. I see a lot of projects announced as a MVP, that can barely even be called a finished product. If you are building a quick project because you just learned a new technology, it is not a MVP - it is an experiment. A true MVP is something closer to "as simple as possible but not simpler", which as everyone knows can be time consuming and difficult. It is the simplest product that can fully achieve its intended goals.<p>The key word is "viable", not "minimum".
acangiano将近 13 年前
There is more than one way to achieve a positive result. I think a minimum viable product makes a lot of sense for an early stage startup that is still validating their idea on the market. For a well established product like Coda or TextMate, you usually want your next edition to satisfy many of the needs of existing customers and motivate them to upgrade. Of course, this is not to say that you can't still use the minimum viable product approach. You just can't rule out doing the opposite just because it's not Lean. For established companies it can work.
zenogais将近 13 年前
What the hell? This video is one minute long and has nothing insightful at all. This is more an ad for your website than anything.
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CubicleNinjas将近 13 年前
Love this video!<p>The problem with this approach is if the market responds negatively. I feel this way right now with Coda 2, as it feels over designed and targeted at an odd-case web developer. I truly hope I'm wrong with Coda 2.<p>But the point remains, if you swing for the fences and miss with a MAXVP then don't be surprised if you go back to the minor leagues. (I made a sports reference nearly successfully...I'm calling everyone I know!)
FnF将近 13 年前
This infographic illustrates your point <a href="http://fundersandfounders.com/the-minimum-viable-product/" rel="nofollow">http://fundersandfounders.com/the-minimum-viable-product/</a>
taligent将近 13 年前
Panic really needs to keep its mouth shut about MVP.<p>It is not some tiny startup. They are one of the leading 'shareware' makers on the Mac platform. And the fact is that Coda 2 is a buggy mess with many of its key features completely unusable. I fail to see how with this sort of approach it is going to ever build customer loyalty.