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Tesla retreat from EV charging leaves growth of U.S. network in doubt

37 点作者 MilnerRoute大约 1 年前

12 条评论

Animats大约 1 年前
There are US charging standards now.[1] And a subsidy program which is probably too big.<p>Basic US standards:<p>- At least four charging stations per location.<p>- At least 150KW per charger.<p>- 97% uptime.<p>- May not require a membership. Must accept credit cards. May not charge more without a membership. Must display price per KwH before charging. Phone-based and car-based payment interfaces allowed but must not be required of the customer.<p>- States getting funding must have a charging station every 50 miles along Interstate highways.<p>- Must support CCS connector. Other connectors optional.<p>This is not fully compatible with Tesla&#x27;s business model, which may be a problem for Tesla.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tritiumcharging.com&#x2F;what-is-nevi-and-how-will-it-help-electrify-american-transportation&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tritiumcharging.com&#x2F;what-is-nevi-and-how-will-it-hel...</a>
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LunicLynx大约 1 年前
Here is my take:<p>Elon actually has the numbers. And the profit to expenditure did not add up. The team wasn’t adapting in a useful manor, hence this is the outcome.<p>This is as plausible as all the other opinions out there. In short we don’t know the half of it. What we do know is that ev sales have taken a dive. A network that grows faster then ev adoption might not be that useful, considering the bigger the network the bigger the upkeep.<p>Also, Tesla only build that network because no one else was. (Check some past articles, this was clearly said). Evs have now been adopted to a point that other companies are getting into the game. Especially : gas stations.<p>Last: home charging for daily commute will be more important. Most people will only go to a Super Charger on trips. Like 5% of the usage of the vehicle?<p>There is more to this then flashy headlines.<p>Elon is a good business man, who denies that, hasn’t grasped what he was able to achieve so far.<p>Is he behaving like a 140 character idiot? Absolutely, but this is not new. His long form talks on the other hand often are very reasonable.
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mahkeiro大约 1 年前
There an interesting tweet from the other article that was flagged (??), that mention installation of fast charger in Europe and US and compare Tesla to the rest. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;FredericLambert&#x2F;status&#x2F;1786482732081574123" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;FredericLambert&#x2F;status&#x2F;17864827320815741...</a> What is striking is the difference in the scale (4x), and it seems that the US are all in for Tesla.
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paulddraper大约 1 年前
EV charging makes no money.<p>The only reason public EV charging stations exist is because of government subsidy.<p>Tesla -- despite selling more EVs last year than every US automaker combined -- got only 17% of the NVEI grants.<p>Tesla isn&#x27;t going to build public infrastructure on its own dime. It will build cars, and let the other eager players built the infra instead.<p>---<p>But somehow forecasted slowdown of a player with than less than one-fifth of the grant money is causing existential doubt?<p>Anyone concerned that Ford is going to build fewer gas stations?
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ChrisArchitect大约 1 年前
Related:<p><i>Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Supercharger chaos</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40253773">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40253773</a>
7e大约 1 年前
It turns out that that Tesla was a low interest rate phenomenon.
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moogly大约 1 年前
I don&#x27;t get this move whatsoever, but if I were to be forced to play Devil&#x27;s advocate, I&#x27;d point to the fact that the Supercharger network is merely the only game in town in the US, and globally, it will become a bit of a fart in the wind.<p>It&#x27;s already happening in Europe, and in fact, it&#x27;s a bit of an issue that the Tesla route planner prioritizes Supercharger stations over other operators.
Gud大约 1 年前
It is my understanding that the Supercharger network was built to supercharge EV adaption, which has succeeded. Now there is a healthy amount of charging stations available.<p>The next task is absolutely to solve the 1st mile.
ChrisArchitect大约 1 年前
Related:<p><i>Tesla Is Pulling Back from EV Charging, and People Are Freaking Out</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40232673">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40232673</a>
anonfordays大约 1 年前
Are there other notable examples of businesses that have axed entire business units from exec to IC? Any success stories?
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PaywallBuster大约 1 年前
technologically the charger was good enough for any upcoming demand I&#x27;d say no?<p>the most challenging is the &quot;deployment&quot; &#x2F; installation of it and turning it more (price) efficient which I guess would be done by different department hence firing
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MilnerRoute大约 1 年前
<i>&quot;If Tesla slows down, these other companies will pick up some of the slack but not all of it. Because Tesla just deploys charging stations at another level,&quot; said Loren McDonald, chief executive of EVAdoption.</i>
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