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California says restaurants must bake all of their add-on fees into menu prices

96 点作者 memset大约 1 年前

20 条评论

amluto大约 1 年前
This bit is amazing:<p>&gt; Restaurant owners like Laurie Thomas, who heads the Golden Gate Restaurant Association, say the changes will bring higher prices and sticker shock<p>So these restaurant owners think they’re avoiding sticker shock by making the stickers lie?
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boxed大约 1 年前
It&#x27;s crazy that California is doing this at all. And it&#x27;s crazy they &quot;fix&quot; this same bug over and over for different types of businesses. Is this just so politicians can be seen doing something?<p>This should be covered very clearly by the existing federal laws against fraud. Because that&#x27;s what this is. If you say &quot;10 dollars&quot; and then after they say &quot;11 dollars&quot; when it&#x27;s time to pay, that&#x27;s just fraud.
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gooseyman大约 1 年前
Markets can only be efficient if knowledge of prices for competing goods and substitutes can be known. Drip pricing makes efficiency really, really hard.<p>That said, this is less about efficiency in my view and more about getting rid of the dirty little FU on the bill and allowing customers to avoid a surprise.<p>Restaurants are substitutes in calories sure, but menus, locations, decor, service will differ. I’m not sure I need efficiency in this space in that regard.<p>However, once at a restaurant, I would like to have a rough idea when I order whether I’m in my personal budget for that meal. From that perspective, this feels great.<p>If one doesn’t have to think about budget given financial prowess, this law matters little. If one does need to consider their budget but doesn’t, this law also matters little.
DataDive大约 1 年前
I don&#x27;t know how prevalent my behavior is, but I eat out less since these random fees appeared.<p>If the price were simply 15% higher, I think would not mind (again I am guessing, who knows really - needs some sort of experiment).<p>I deeply dislike being quoted one price on the menu, but by the time I check out, it is notably higher. Once I add both the tax and the &quot;fees,&quot; it is like paying for another complete entree. That unpleasant memory stays with me, even until the next time I consider eating out.<p>But then, I am not in the restaurant business, and I have lots of sympathy for those that make a living in such a razor-thin profit environment.<p>Do addon fees hurt more the businesses than help? I can&#x27;t tell but I can provide my own behavior as an example.
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snakeyjake大约 1 年前
&gt;Many business owners — and restaurant owners in particular — have been dreading the change, which is poised to ban separate surcharges that restaurateurs have increasingly relied on to pay higher wages to staff, and to absorb discrete costs such as San Francisco&#x27;s mandatory health care payments for workers.<p>How can a meal in a restaurant near the University of Basel in Basel, Switzerland cost roughly the same as one in San Francisco when Basel&#x27;s cost of living makes San Francisco look like an economically depressed suburb of Detroit?
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exe34大约 1 年前
Could they please also add all the federal, state, city, district, street tax into the prices please? The US is the only place I&#x27;ve ever been to where I never really knew what the price of groceries&#x2F;snacks were going to be until after I&#x27;ve paid, no matter what it says on the label.
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lolinder大约 1 年前
I&#x27;ve seen this at hotels and such, but never in my life have I been presented with a mandatory fee at a restaurant. I get the tax and I tip and that&#x27;s it.<p>Is this a California thing in recent years? Is it just that I don&#x27;t eat at the right kind of restaurants? Where and when did this start happening?
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astura大约 1 年前
In 2019 this was a joke!! - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=HFxpBJrLgXY&amp;t=1m30s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=HFxpBJrLgXY&amp;t=1m30s</a><p>&quot;we just gouge you on the price... it&#x27;s highlighted though, so it&#x27;s transparent.&quot; People laughed cuz it was ridiculous.<p>In 2024 it&#x27;s reality and we have to make rules against it! Holy shit.
jononomo大约 1 年前
I want the US government to pass a law requiring all taxes to be included in the listed price at any retail outlet in the United States. It is ridiculous to see an item you&#x27;re interested in buying, check the price tag, and get only an approximation of how much money you will have to spend to acquire it at the register.<p>Often with small-dollar items, the exact amount of money is relevant. I might have a $5 bill, but not have $5.39. So if that item that says &quot;$4.99&quot; on the price sticker costs $5.39 when I get to the register, that is just a nuisance and a waste of everyone&#x27;s time.<p>And for what purpose? I can&#x27;t believe that retail outlets don&#x27;t already just price tax into the stated price.<p>Are they concerned that people are going want to shop elsewhere and pay the same amount of money but also go through more nuisance and do more math in their head along the way because they prefer to initially see a lower price?
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fundad大约 1 年前
I like that the pushback is people have to begrudgingly pay the full prices but won’t pay the full price if given the choice upfront.<p>Do none of their customers come back after knowing the honest cost?
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billy99k大约 1 年前
These sorts of laws are there to hide the fact that the government adds lots of taxes onto everyday goods. When it&#x27;s &#x27;baked into the price&#x27; there is no way to tell if the increase is because of the business owner or the government, and most people will just blame the business owner.
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s1artibartfast大约 1 年前
I would like it if California passed a law against hidden state taxes.<p>Most recently, state regulators are making utilities implement income based pricing for electricity. This circumnavigates the sticker shock of state income taxes and democratic approval of subsidies.
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hhgloocgvv大约 1 年前
Now if only they’d outright ban tipping.<p>Businesses should pay their employees, not the customer.<p>Tipping culture in the US is insane.
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voisin大约 1 年前
I’d love if Canada had retailers bake sales taxes into the price. What you see is what you pay.
iampims大约 1 年前
July 1st can’t come soon enough.
xnx大约 1 年前
Do hotels and rental cars next! Terrible shopping experience. &quot;Resort fees&quot; are total bs.
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alphabettsy大约 1 年前
Nationwide please.
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corn13read2大约 1 年前
Now can we make delivery companies do this?
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bell-cot大约 1 年前
&gt; Restaurant owners like Laurie Thomas, who heads the Golden Gate Restaurant Association, say the changes will bring higher prices and sticker shock, which could then raise a psychological hurdle in customers&#x27; dining habits. That, in turn, will hurt restaurants and their workers, she warns.<p>&gt; &quot;If it&#x27;s in the core price of the menu, there will be a pullback&quot; in patrons&#x27; spending, she told NPR shortly before the attorney general released the guidelines. &quot;There are some people, I think, that are hoping that the restaurants will just absorb that cost, because we&#x27;ve seen people say, &#x27;Oh, it&#x27;s too expensive with the service charge.&#x27; &quot;<p>&gt; Under the new guidelines, Thomas&#x27; organization said in an email to NPR, restaurants will be forced to impose &quot;significant menu price increases.&quot; And if customers eat out less, it warns, &quot;Not only will restaurants struggle, but workers will lose hours and jobs.&quot;<p>Suggestion: Instead of mandating honest pricing, CA should just allow their tax collectors to add fees and tariffs and surcharges and other crap to the tax bills of businesses that do not do honest pricing. Then, when those businesses complain, whine about the pain of government having to absorb the lower revenues, and government workers losing hours and jobs, and having to make cuts to various feel-good programs, and ...
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re-thc大约 1 年前
&gt; The law is simple: the price you see is the price you pay<p>Not true when you still have to tip.
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