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The Rise and Fall of the Trad Wife

23 点作者 chapulin12 个月前

12 条评论

micheljansen12 个月前
The article briefly touches on the links between the &quot;tradwife&quot; movement and the alt-right, but doesn&#x27;t really press on, even though it also contains these poignant examples:<p><pre><code> ... Estee Williams, a quasi-Marilyn Monroe with white-blond waves and a cinched waist, advocate marital subservience. Others, like the Australian Jasmine Dinis, sell Biblical womanhood affirmations. One, the Canadian Gwen Swinarton, has pivoted from making porn videos for OnlyFans and A.S.M.R. content for YouTube to the trad-wife space. (In a recent TikTok testimony, she credited the transition to God.) Then there are more openly political, like Abby Roth, who splices mothering tips with anti-abortion content. Pettitt, the O.G., is a rare Brit and a purist [...] set out her Christian beliefs and principles of womanhood long before the new generation of trad wives began filming themselves saucily kneading sourdough. </code></pre> and there is more in the linked article from The Guardian (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;fashion&#x2F;2020&#x2F;jan&#x2F;27&#x2F;tradwives-new-trend-submissive-women-dark-heart-history" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;fashion&#x2F;2020&#x2F;jan&#x2F;27&#x2F;tradwives-ne...</a>)<p>In my opinion anyone should be free to decide how they define their roles in their relationship&#x2F;marriage. If both are happy in a &quot;traditional&quot; marriage with a breadwinner and a housewife, who am I to judge, but there is something very eerie about how radical some people can get about these things.<p>To me tradwifes almost seem like the feminine counterparts to incels. May they be very happy together.
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hilux12 个月前
This article doesn&#x27;t mention it, but Hannah Neeleman&#x27;s father-in-law David Neeleman has founded several airlines, and is worth several hundred million dollars. So she can afford to enjoy whatever unusual lifestyle she wishes, in a way that most of us (Hi Zuck!) can&#x27;t.<p>It&#x27;s a trend I notice in many articles about consumer behavior and trends, even in prestigious mainstream publications. When I dig just a little, the people mentioned are never &quot;normal people.&quot; Either their considerable outside wealth is not mentioned, or they are selling something and in need of PR. The ridiculous recent article about &quot;couples who use Slack&quot; is a good example.
georgeburdell12 个月前
I read perhaps the most compelling reason for men to not couple up with aspiring trad wives on 4chan, of all places. The crux of the argument was that women are, more-so than men, subjected to social pressures to conform, and since the trad wife is a societal niche, those women are disproportionately radical, perhaps even mentally ill. The true successor to the 1950s wife is your typical Uggs-wearing, Starbucks-drinking, 2-kids-having soccer mom who works as a nurse.
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suoduandao312 个月前
A factor I think gets left out of this conversation is that the 50&#x27;s housewife was an aberration, a home-based adult in an age of washing machines, electric ovens and small gardens at most. There used to be so much housework you basically needed a dedicated person to do it all[1].<p>&#x27;50s housewives didn&#x27;t need to do most of that BUT they were also the primary mental health caregivers for a generation of men who had just come back from something like the second-most brutal war in human history. Typically with support from a member of the clergy but they were on the front lines. It was an enormous but unacknowledged responsibility. And given that we didn&#x27;t have a repeat of what happened after WW1, on average it must have been pretty well handled.<p>Today we have memetic warfare [2] instead, and given the social media nature of it, I would expect more women on the frontlines of it than men. Maybe we&#x27;ll have a lot of &#x27;tradmen&#x27; who spend a lot of time fishing, writing poetry, and providing mental health care for their partners working in social media.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BZoKfap4g4w" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BZoKfap4g4w</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0p10G1m3ZfU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0p10G1m3ZfU</a>
aidenn012 个月前
It seems to me that the whole &quot;trad wife&quot; thing is rage-bait that the press took hold of and blew out of proportion. There has always been a minority in the US that believes in the &quot;Husband is head of household and God ordained it so&quot; but that minority is shrinking, not growing, and the majority of stay-at-home mothers I know do not align with that at all.
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daft_pink12 个月前
I feel like this is another example of culture wars where people on one extreme using the people on the other extreme to justify their crazy extreme ways.<p>When most people are simply more balanced and feel that focusing on the family and having one spouse take care of the kids in a more traditional way is perfectly reasonable.<p>You can be a housewife and not be submissive, that’s totally rational and most people in America do that without demeaning the housewife in a balanced and rational way.<p>You can believe in women’s rights and equality and that women should be able to have a great career or education and succeed while still respecting people who crave and coexist in traditional relationships, and it’s okay if you don’t want to do that.<p>It’s dumb the way we’re like. My way of looking at the world is correct, because look at these crazy people.
orionblastar12 个月前
Marriage has changed since the 1950s, both spouses have to work to earn rent or mortgage for an apartment or house. Fewer people are having babies: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;nchs&#x2F;pressroom&#x2F;nchs_press_releases&#x2F;2024&#x2F;20240525.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;nchs&#x2F;pressroom&#x2F;nchs_press_releases&#x2F;2024&#x2F;...</a><p>My wife works as a nurse, and we both take turns doing chores around the house. She is not a Trad Wife.
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fl0ki12 个月前
I&#x27;m pretty sure actual traditional wives did not record a staged and idealized version of their toils to post content for engagement and sponsorships.<p>The more traditional wives I know just do it that way because that&#x27;s what makes sense in their particular family circumstances, often with no political framing at all. When the entire household needs care all day every day, there&#x27;s no time to make a show of it.<p>People doing it because it&#x27;s trendy with influencers are missing the deeper point, and the influencers themselves are LARPing at best.
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incomplete12 个月前
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dyauspitr12 个月前
Having a normal stay at home wife is more popular than ever especially since COVID when a disproportionately high number of women lost their jobs.
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1970-01-0112 个月前
&gt;Ever since Pettitt’s first BBC interview, in 2020, she found herself having to convince radio hosts that she is neither homophobic nor racist. She became “very stressed about communicating quite strongly with news outlets” that she was not associated with the alt-right. More generally, she felt such discussions distracted from her point<p>I blame Web 2.0 and social media for all of this:<p>Extremists are bumping into their online opposites, and it results in existential arguing. Web 2.0 has been a complete disaster. We were not ready to manage the levels of arguing that instantly came along with it. And we continue to fuel it, because clicks make money.
friend_and_foe12 个月前
So maybe I can give a little perspective to some of you, from someone living something like this.<p>Me and my wife are atheists. We don&#x27;t believe in god. There is no element of Christianity or traditionalism or any of that in our lives. We are a mixed race couple, our kids are not white and there&#x27;s nothing about &quot;creating more white babies&quot; or any of that nonsense in our outlook or approach. I&#x27;m sure that kind of stuff is out there, but by and large I think that stuff is overblown by people who feel uncomfortable with the idea that any woman would want to focus on the happiness of people she loves instead of the demands of people she doesn&#x27;t. I&#x27;m sure we are a bit unorthodox in that we aren&#x27;t religious conservatives, but that&#x27;s not really a requirement to want these things either.<p>Neither one of us come from millionaire families, she comes from a working middle class family and I come from the mud. Neither one of us has beyond a high school education, although we are both very read and have a good understanding of things we are interested in. I sold my youth to put myself where I am today, and risked (and experienced) homelessness to put myself in a position where I could have something more than the corporate ladder. I clawed my way into a position where I could afford a low stress, family focused life, I did it for kids I didn&#x27;t even have yet, for a woman I didn&#x27;t even know yet, and I did it without ever taking advantage of another person.<p>Our main approach is cost cutting. We simply have rich, rewarding lives by getting rid of all the distraction. We eat really good, healthy, delicious food by not relying on others to make it for us. We keep our housing modest, a place to provide us with the shelter and facilities we need to maintain hygiene and take care of ourselves and our kids. It really is very, very easy to have a rewarding life for cheaper than a supposed rewarding but in reality soul crushing life in the rat race. It appears to me, people are convinced that their lives are meaningless unless they&#x27;re pursuing careers, living in a &quot;tier 1 city&quot; or other marketing propaganda designed to get people to unwittingly dedicate their lives to other people&#x27;s ambitions. My view is that what really matters in life is cooking good food and spending time with the people you love. You can have a bigger impact on the world by raising competent and healthy children than by working in an office and sitting in traffic.<p>I think that there are a lot more women in the world that feel guilty or inadequate for wanting to play with their kids, teach them to read and cook them good food rather than pursue some higher ambition that amounts to subservience to a corporate machine, than a lot of people would like to admit. All it takes is that they acknowledge that it isn&#x27;t some lesser role, it&#x27;s a higher purpose, it&#x27;s more rewarding and the path they&#x27;ve been sold is empty. A lot of people don&#x27;t like seeing it nowadays, hence the constant association with alt right, religious fundamentalism, controlling husbands and all that stuff. In reality, all that is just noise. You&#x27;ll not wish you spent more time in the office on your deathbed, your kids need a loving person to teach them more than they need a bigger room and a remodeled kitchen down the street from the mall. There&#x27;s room for personal ambition, but the only rewarding way to pursue that is on your own terms.