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Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music

44 点作者 whitej12512 个月前

27 条评论

ein0p12 个月前
It’s a fun service and an impressive demo, but to “make music” I need a lot more control than just entering the lyrics and describing the style. That said, there are some awesome examples there already, even with the current limitations, so I’m hopeful. Apparently so are their investors.
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mtalantikite12 个月前
This is about generating something to consume though, not make? Making music is about so much more than the end product. It's the path not the destination etc. You learn so much about life when you have an artistic practice in general (not just music). I'm perfectly fine embracing AI tools, but clicking some buttons to generate a song isn't making music.
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jbgreer12 个月前
In the free tier, Suno owns all of the Output. I&#x27;m wondering when someone will make a song, realize it&#x27;s pretty good, and attempt to recreate it after creating a paid tier account.<p>Subject to your compliance with the terms of this Agreement, if you are a user who has subscribed to the paid tier of the Service, Suno hereby assigns to you all of its right, title and interest in and to any Output owned by Suno and generated from Submissions made by you through the Service during the term of your paid-tier subscription. If you are a user of the free tier of the Service then, as between you and Suno, Suno owns all Output generated from Submissions made by you through the Service, and, subject to your compliance with the terms of this Agreement, Suno grants you a license to use such Output solely for your lawful, internal, and non-commercial purposes, provided that you give attribution credit to Suno in each case.
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p0w3n3d12 个月前
Not make but generate. The time comes when music played by real people, even with mistakes, will be valued more than electronically generated performance.<p>Thus spoke me
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danielk199412 个月前
It blows my mind how well Suno works. It&#x27;s one of the few products I tried lately that exceeded by expectations by a wide margin. As an amateur songwriter who is a bad singer, hearing its interpretations of my songs was beautiful. The implications of this for the music industry is pretty disruptive.
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jackienotchan12 个月前
Random anecdote: I&#x27;ve created a Suno song as an anniversary gift for my girlfriend. She was absolutely mindblown by it as it&#x27;s an earworm song with many of our memories.<p>Always good to be aware of our small tech bubble here and that things we take for granted already, might not even be close to adoption :)
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miika12 个月前
Anyone can already make music
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hackermatic12 个月前
I don&#x27;t think the Big Three record labels will want to stop this, even if it&#x27;s massive copyright infringement, because it&#x27;s not a threat to their business model. Labels create a whole ecosystem around a limited set of artists through marketing and tastemaking, then capture multiple revenue streams (streaming, licensing) for the few artists who people mostly play and pay for. They aggressively persuade musicians to sign away the rights, so the labels control the terms of payment, and they work together with a tiny group of companies in streaming&#x2F;radio&#x2F;etc. who have the same self-interest.<p>Everything outside that structure is an afterthought. The occasional indie hit songs and labels have failed to upend the music industry power structure for a century (they tend to get acquired if they get big enough). Tons of people making songs mostly for themselves will only dilute the power of smaller players.<p>The labels will probably extract some licensing fees off the stolen copyrighted training data, but they famously don&#x27;t care about their <i>musicians</i> earning a livelihood.
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robxorb12 个月前
For greater control, higher quality audio results and less censorship, but with the downside of being a bit fiddly, there&#x27;s Udio. It&#x27;s otherwise functionally similar:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.udio.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.udio.com&#x2F;</a><p>(Not affiliated, nor have used either much - based on first impressions playing around and listening to others results.)
pnw12 个月前
I&#x27;m really intrigued with both Suno and Udio as to how the music is represented internally.<p>Does the model build up track by track vertically, which would then lend itself to a more capable product for professionals, an AI powered DAW if you will. Or is it building a linear stream of all the sounds beat by beat e.g. horizontally?<p>FWIW I got consistently more musically pleasing results from Udio than Suno. Although occasionally Udio would sing AI gibberish.
unclebucknasty12 个月前
This kind of mission of &quot;enabling anyone to do X&quot; seems to undermine the value it claims to provide.<p>So, if <i>anyone</i> can make music, then what&#x27;s the value of being able to make music?<p>But, if what it enables still requires some rare talent or significant learning to make <i>good</i> music, then how is that different from today? And, well, anyone can already make bad music.<p>Or maybe I&#x27;m just in my greybeard &quot;get off my lawn&quot; mode today.
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scop12 个月前
Does anybody know whether these services prevent a user from copying an <i>instrumentalist&#x27;s</i> specific style? For example, let&#x27;s say I input:<p>&gt; &quot;make a song with Johnny Cash singing about X&quot;<p>That would result in IP&#x2F;copyright issues, no? I don&#x27;t really know the legal specifics here, so grant me some slack if I am not using the correct language. But, assuming that input does create a legal problem, does the same apply to these sort of prompts:<p>&gt; &quot;with a guitar solo by Zakk Wylde&quot;<p>&gt; &quot;with drum fills like Thomas Stauch&quot;<p>etc...<p>Are there similar legal protections around instruments as the voice?
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IronWolve12 个月前
Suno has some advantages and cons, it can make any music style and can render 2 minute songs in seconds. Its lyric generator is also a tad nicer than others right now. Vocals are horrible, I think about 25% of the vocals sound nice.<p>Its training on musical styles gives it a lead, its vocals needs much improvement.<p>Its a great tool for creativity, but its a tad far from music ending up in my playlist due to vocals. For now. Instrumentals, i can totally see using it for background music in videos, themes, trailers, etc.
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dimitrisnl12 个月前
I want to like this but I can&#x27;t. Can&#x27;t explain why.
searine12 个月前
It is kind of crazy that &quot;BBL Drizzy&quot; of all things set a precedent. Using AI to create an incomplete song and then a real producer using it as a royalty-free sample to create an actual hit song.<p>I could see this paradigm becoming insanely popular with indie artists to make high quality &#x2F; low skill backing tracks for their vocals.
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sergiotapia12 个月前
Uber fought transportation in huge cities. Very mafia&#x2F;gang&#x2F;backdoor dealy right? They ultimately won or bribed the right people.<p>Isn&#x27;t the music industry like 10x more gangster? Will guys with bats go into the Suno CEO&#x27;s office and hang him by his heels over the balcony?<p>I wonder how it plays out.
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jsheard12 个月前
Yeah I&#x27;ve heard this story before. What&#x27;s actually going to happen is that Spotify and every other music streaming service will be filled with 50 million functionally identical AI generated songs made by people looking to scrape off a few cents when people listen to them by accident.
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beej7112 个月前
Humans pushed the game of Go in new directions after AlphaGo bested us.<p>Maybe this will happen with art. In any case, I&#x27;ll still listen to human-generated music.<p>--Glass is half full department
arecurrence12 个月前
I don&#x27;t understand all the hate. I&#x27;ve been listening to this all morning and it&#x27;s fantastic.<p>Sure, it&#x27;s not going to trend on Apple Music... but it&#x27;s the best we&#x27;ve ever done and a genuine step above previous efforts.
divan12 个月前
Highly recommended video from Adam Neely – Why AI is Doomed to Fail the Musical Turing Test<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=N8NyEjB_XeA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=N8NyEjB_XeA</a>
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thefaux12 个月前
Sure, anyone can make music so long as they pay the Suno tax. While I appreciate the technical achievement, this kind of technology disempowers as much as it empowers. The process of automation inherently devalues the process that is being automated. It is easy to say this doesn&#x27;t matter if the process being automated is meaningless or unimportant to you.<p>Making music is not just about whether a song measures up to some objective standard of goodness. It is about the process of connection and sharing between the musician and audience (which I mean in a broad way -- it could be another musician in the band). There are many amazing musical experiences that I have had that are not possible except in a live experience. My concern is that these kinds of tools will dissuade people from participating, in no small part because ai music is better than what most people can produce -- by the standards of recorded music. Why should I even try if I can&#x27;t even come close to an ai?<p>In a worst case scenario, and I&#x27;m not saying this will happen, ai generated art (not just music) creates a doom loop where people stop making art themselves. Communities formed around participation in art wither away and we lose the ability to make art ourselves. We then become solely reliant upon ai for art, which means that art will primarily be consumed through the human -&gt; ai interface rather than the human -&gt; human interface. I&#x27;m not opposed to people experimenting with ai but I am worried about it replacing the human -&gt; human interface and, frankly, the last 20 years of social media give me ample reason for those concerns.
spacechild112 个月前
I&#x27;m already dreading the days when bandcamp and spotify will be flooded with AI generated garbage...
norwalkbear12 个月前
How many gpus do they have?
greenthrow12 个月前
Using &quot;AI&quot; to launder copyright theft of artists&#x27; life work is one of the most evil things &quot;tech&quot; companied have done yet. And that&#x27;s saying a lot.
sdan12 个月前
the filter between slop and good music increases
everyone12 个月前
I mean anyone can already pirate Ableton and make world class music if they are so inclined.
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luqtas12 个月前
$125M? <i>opens the website, super excited to check what&#x27;s their plan with the pedagogy of teaching computer music to realize it&#x27;s AI, again, probably violating copyright</i>