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Google just updated its algorithm. The Internet will never be the same

191 点作者 sonabinu12 个月前

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neilv12 个月前
&gt; <i>A spokesperson for Google tells the BBC that the company only launches changes to Search after rigorous testing confirms that the shift will be helpful for users, and that the company gives website owners help, resources and opportunities for feedback on their Search rankings.</i><p>When I got an Android tablet, I downloaded some of those free-to-play games in which you build bases and vehicles in a multiplayer world. And then other players come along and destroy what you&#x27;ve built, and steal your stuff. With the game providing not-so-subtle prompts to pay for the various kinds of in-game currencies&#x2F;tokens, so that you can properly defend yourself or gain advantage over others. The mechanics of the game were mostly a diversion from the real way you win, which was the real point of the game&#x27;s design.<p>Regarding Google&#x27;s &quot;help&quot;, they helped turn SEO into this kind of game, and even offer gaming guides themselves, because, at the end of the day, people will have to pay real money for in-game resources, if they want to compete.<p>&gt; <i>The second Google algorithm update came in March, and it was even more punishing. House Fresh&#x27;s thousands of daily visitors dwindled to just hundreds. &quot;We just got absolutely crushed,&quot; Navarro says. Over the last few weeks, House Fresh had to lay off most of its team. If nothing changes, she says, the website is doomed.</i><p>If you want visitors to a Web site, you probably have to pay money to Google or similar big tech company. It&#x27;s not right, but that&#x27;s the current situation.
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throwaway21112 个月前
Two big reasons people add Reddit to search phrases is because Reddit&#x27;s search isn&#x27;t functional and to deprioritise Ad Junk from search.<p>It&#x27;s to fix broken search, which gets more broken - more unwanted Ad Junk.<p>But Google&#x27;s an advertising company with it&#x27;s ad search device in everyone&#x27;s pocket. At least it&#x27;s reached sufficient post-don&#x27;t-be-evil to be honestly shameless, even if it does employ people in PR with broken ethics prostituting their names for their mortgages. Getting reflective&#x27;s hard when you&#x27;re celebrating yourself.
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david-gpu12 个月前
Over the past several months I find Google search has become completely useless to find anything other than online retailers. I thought it may have been just something about my profile, but this article suggests it may have been an update on their end.<p>Meanwhile, Duckduckgo still provides decent results in my experience.
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michelb12 个月前
This is good. Because it now will make way more sense to compete with Google on searching the internet, since they screwed it up. They’re are panicking and defending their bottom-line instead of innovating and leading. I think internet search is now ripe for disruption. Still need deep pockets but it’s now increasingly easier to be much better at search than Google.
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jmyeet12 个月前
So I&#x27;m normally skeptical of the anecodata you see on HN and elsewhere (&quot;Google is now useless, I switched to DuckDuckGo 23 years ago&quot;) but it seems like Google has done rather big things here:<p>1. Greatly increased the weight of doamin authority. This... seems desperate;<p>2. Increased the weight of reddit. Google have probably noticed how many people add &quot;reddit&quot; or &quot;site:reddit.com&quot; to search terms. I do this too. It&#x27;s true for a lot of topics with all the AI-bot and affiliate astroturfing out there, Reddit can often be the only source for genuine commentary.<p>But Reddit has a dirty little secret: it&#x27;s really easy to complete change the content and character of a subreddit. You see this on controversial topics. It only takes 100-200 people (or less with bots) to completely transform a subreddit.<p>User generated content sites have techniques to find socket puppets, brigading and the like but it&#x27;s an arms race. 80% of my Tiktok follows come from crypto scam and p0rn bots. I imagine Twitter is the same way. The bots continue to get better too. Those same algorithms can be used to keep bot activity below the threshold for detecting voting rings.<p>So Google&#x27;s increased reliance on Reddit will probably escalate the astroturfing and botting on Reddit and honestly, I don&#x27;t think Reddit is up to the job of defending against this.
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giancarlostoro12 个月前
Imma be real its been deteriorating for a while. Used to be an insanely powerful engine. You could find things with verbatim quotes. I have not seen this work anymore for quite some time. It all started when they started adding rules to suppress results somewhere in the late 2000s or early 2010s. Its only gotten worse and worse. Googles search engine is now just a personal collection of pre approved search results for no valid rhyme or reason.
chrisjj12 个月前
&gt; Google&#x27;s efforts to address this issue aren&#x27;t always successful.<p>&gt; Often popular search terms are crowded with websites that contain very little useful information, but tonnes of ads<p>Ad-seller Google prefers ad-laden sites?? Who&#x27;d have guessed! :)
nottorp12 个月前
&lt;old fart hat on&gt;<p>Note that the article is crying about the poor small <i>businesses</i> that google killed. Not about the good old days when you could find unbiased reviews that were done not-for-profit out of someone&#x27;s personal experience on a geocities page that hurt your eyes with all those blink tags.<p>&lt;&#x2F;old fart hat off&gt;
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tsuru12 个月前
Maybe they should get the Twitter treatment anytime they are mentioned: &quot;Google formerly DoubleClick&quot;
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8organicbits12 个月前
I&#x27;ve been thinking more about what we can collectively do to fix what is now broken. One tiny part of the solution may be individual curation. To me that means the return of the blogroll. I&#x27;ve been exploring this, along with others, at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;alexsci.com&#x2F;rss-blogroll-network&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;alexsci.com&#x2F;rss-blogroll-network&#x2F;</a><p>It&#x27;s at an early stage but I&#x27;ve found value from it already.
rsolva12 个月前
We need to make bookmarks a common way to access the web again! So many people use Google or other search engines to access even the most basic sites, instead of storing a bookmark or typing out the whole URL.<p>I have used a simple bookmarking strategy in Firefox for some years now, simply storing everything and anything I suspect I might want to retrieve later. I give each bookmark a few quick keywords and store it all in one folder. No hierarchy. It&#x27;s surprisingly useful and has helped me retrieve so much stuff from my vague long term memory.<p>In addition, I flush the cache automatically every time I close the browser and curate a list of sites that are exempted from the flush. I have also turned off search words suggestions in the address bar, leaving me with a tidy and usefull experience that helps me find what I&#x27;m looking for in seconds. Only saved sites show up when I start typing.<p>But most browsers, including Firefox, need to improve their bookmarking system. I can&#x27;t add keywords to bookmarks from the mobile browser. Why not? And the bookmark UI has gotten little attention for literally decades.<p>It would not help all smaller sites, but it would help some, if browsers would improve the storing, managing and retrieving of bookmarks.
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skilled12 个月前
Honestly, bravo at BBC for whoever green-lighted this story. It puts the finger right on where it hurts for small publishers and illustrates Googles new way of thinking.<p>I am sad but also frightened for small creators and those who simply share interesting information once in a while. Google is bulldozing these people away from anywhere near the AI answers or the ten blue links below it.<p>The article didn’t mention it but people who got hit in September with the helpful update have still not recovered. Not a single site. This is the update that HouseFresh was hit with.<p>It’s insane.
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asadotzler12 个月前
I search Google about 90% less using Firefox because I <i>never</i> have to use Google to find a site I was recently at.<p>In Firefox:<p>Add ^ to show only matches in your browsing history. Add * to show only matches in your bookmarks. Add + to show only matches in bookmarks you&#x27;ve tagged. Add % to show only matches in your currently open tabs. Add # to show only matches where your terms are part of a tag or title. Add $ to show only matches where your terms are part of the address. Add ? to show only search suggestions.<p>Armed with this, and &amp;UDM=14 on my browser&#x27;s Google Search, I use Google a couple times a day to find new things and without the AI slop, product ads, and other nonsense. That doesn&#x27;t fix the shitty results themselves, but with a little bit of -quora and -reddit I can usually get what I&#x27;m after in the first 5-10 links.<p>Stop feeding that monster. Cut your usage. Find other tools that accomplish your goals (often faster and cheaper too) and then use Google for what it&#x27;s good for, the occasional web search. With uBlock Origin and &amp;udm=14 Google web search still beats Bing or Kagi or any of the Bing-based products like DDG.<p>Google Search sucking is only really an end user problem if you depend on it for a lot. If you only need to touch it a dozen times a week for a total of 5 minutes, it&#x27;s not too terrible.
ricardo8112 个月前
The article starts with intimating that SEO is the problem. Perhaps to an extent it is, though I&#x27;d say with G&#x27;s massive market share that optimising for one sweet spot with one search engine is really the problem. It makes SEO easier, one search engine and criteria. 20-25 years ago when there were half a dozen prominent engines you&#x27;d be ranking well in some but not others. A good argument for alternative algorithms (and search engines).<p>Generative AI is no doubt useful for simple questions, and perhaps for people who aren&#x27;t even interested in being sceptical about the answer given, but it seems at too high a cost for the visibility of the actual web and the effort put in by content creators.<p>Obviously with the huge and unrivalled ROI G gets from ads vs any rivals, the fact they&#x27;re the default on most mobiles etc means any alternatives have a huge uphill battle to get seen.<p>At least there is Bing (and its meta variants), Mojeek (independent, a smaller index but truly independent) and Brave (claims independence but has a historical tie to scraping results)
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marcinzm12 个月前
I find Google worse every day. The latest thing I noticed is a ton of AI generated sites at the top that &quot;summarize&quot; things. Mostly the same format. Except they&#x27;re usually wrong in many ways. One site kept saying Llama 3 is a Mixture of Experts model despite it not being one.
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pknerd12 个月前
&gt; The Internet will never be the same (bbc.com)<p>Yes, now we can rank by posting crap on Reddit [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;iMejAF3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;iMejAF3</a>
arnklint12 个月前
Who’s gaining traffic right now? Is it just Reddit and a few others that has caught the traffic from this implosion or is the volumes of searches shrinking due to perhaps AI?
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EcommerceFlow12 个月前
While yes it’s technically “Googles fault”, I feel like the reality is the spammers have won the SEO war. Might be as simple as that,
hosteur12 个月前
Good news for Kagi then.
ungamedplayer12 个月前
Live by the sword, die by the sword
guerrilla12 个月前
I don&#x27;t know how people still used it for the last years. Sure, DuckDuckGo used to be a bit worse, but not that much worse and then came Brave and I feel like I don&#x27;t need anything else anymore. It&#x27;s like having old Google back.
raytopia12 个月前
I wonder if web directories become more popular again if it would help any of these issues. They seem a lot better for surfing the internet (thus naturally finding new websites) as opposed to searching it.
predictsoft12 个月前
Didn&#x27;t Peter Norvig used to be director of search quality? And now Head of research? Maybe they should bring him back to increase that search quality.
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KaiMagnus12 个月前
Great article, probably confirming something a lot of people on here have already suspected. But I am honestly shocked at how dire this situation seems.<p>&gt; Reddit isn&#x27;t the only winner after Google&#x27;s recent algorithm updates. SEMrush data shows that other user-generated sites such as Quora and Instagram saw similarly astronomical rises, and there were impressive spikes at LinkedIn and Wikipedia as well.<p>How can it be that after 20-30 years, it seems they have no way of knowing which sites produce genuine content and which do not?<p>And what’s worse, in what I can only describe as a frantic search for a solution, they simply turn to the largest players and bump up their weights.<p>They are killing the grassroots of the internet and when places like Reddit continue their inevitable path of enshittification the internet will be truly dead<p>Of course the internet is resilient and it will grow again, but we need to get this monopoly back in check fast.
meiraleal12 个月前
That would be exactly the outcome they were expecting with this change. I disagree that Google still holds the power to change the internet tho.
post_break12 个月前
I’ve been using bing and ddg so much more. The bing outage actually impacted me and that took me by surprise.
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counterpartyrsk12 个月前
Or is Google prioritizing sites that drive Google ad revenue, and not ranking according to content?
maram12 个月前
&gt;&gt;It&#x27;s almost as if Google designed an algorithm update to specifically go after small bloggers. I&#x27;ve talked to so many people who&#x27;ve just had everything wiped out<p>While at the same time small businesses are being killed by the lockdown
joshstrange12 个月前
&gt; A spokesperson for Google tells the BBC that the company only launches changes to Search after rigorous testing confirms that the shift will be helpful for users, and that the company gives website owners help, resources and opportunities for feedback on their Search rankings.<p>If you believe this I&#x27;ve got a bridge to sell you. The idea that Google does anything other than to improve its bottom line (in the _shortest_ possible timeline) is lunacy. Just look at Google constant short-sightedness and their parasitic ad team pushing the search team (before taking it over effectively) to find ways to increase the searches (which means a worse user experience).<p>Of course Google doesn&#x27;t care about quality sites, they care about what makes them the most money, the user be damned. Anyone with an ounce of morality or care about the actual user experience was run out or relegated long ago.
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gtirloni12 个月前
&quot;Create content for us to train our AI models while we fill the front page only with big websites that pay for our ads. Thank you!&quot;
mdavid62612 个月前
Yeah, AI answers is exactly what we need (unamused).
coldcode12 个月前
I searched for how to use a massage ball (my back hurts) last week and got a giant page full of ads and ad-like sections for buying one with barely any articles at all. That is not a search engine; it&#x27;s an ads engine.
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hulitu12 个月前
&gt; Google just updated its algorithm. The Internet will never be the same<p>I know we are in the middle of a crysis, but maybe someone at BBC needs an &quot;Internet&quot; training. &#x2F;s
TibbityFlanders12 个月前
Honestly, I use Edge Copilot for almost all my searches now. Google is no longer looking and soon the majority of people will realize that.
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