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Ask HN: Why aren't personal/office databases a solved problem?

2 点作者 neonnoodle12 个月前
Given how many of us have made CRUD app after CRUD app for 25 years, I can&#x27;t believe that there&#x27;s no simple consumer-level database application with the same penetration as, say, Microsoft Word.<p>In the old Mac days, the product to beat was FileMaker Pro. Apparently it&#x27;s still developed, but I&#x27;ve never seen it used in a Windows environment. MS Access is awful. Everyone &quot;normal&quot; just uses Excel for things that really need a relational database!

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xnorswap12 个月前
Access was kind of amazing, but it had a critical &quot;flaw&quot; for getting really accepted back in the late nineties: Changes were instant.<p>In the current world of autosave-everything, that wouldn&#x27;t be a problem, but against a backdrop of &quot;Nothing is permanent until you hit ctrl+s&quot;, it was a complete headfuck to suddenly be unable to back out your changes because you accidentally typed something into the wrong cell.<p>There were lots of other issues with Access too, but I think that aspect was key to it being daunting and off-putting.<p>If someone sent you an excel file, you&#x27;d feel comfortable trying things and playing around with it. If you really needed, you could copy a sheet and easily make changes without fear.<p>If someone sent you an access file, you&#x27;d be scared of making changes you couldn&#x27;t back out of. When you don&#x27;t enable experimentation, it&#x27;s hard for users to get to grips with unfamiliar software.
Pamar12 个月前
At the very start of my &quot;career&quot; (in the 80s, when DBIII+ was king) I also noticed that people in general could not grok normalization or any kind of &quot;data design&quot;.<p>So I really think that a spreadsheet was (and still is) way more intuitive at first, and if you were &quot;bold enough&quot; to investigate macros you would just try to solve all your problems with something you had already a good mental image of.
PaulHoule12 个月前
The market penetration of Excel for tasks where it isn’t suited is a big problem. It is hard to sell an alternative that does 20% of what people do with Excel and it does it better when Excel is bundled with Word, Powerpoint, etc.<p>Another product to look to for inspiration is Lotus Notes whose object database with synchronization was way ahead of its time (with all patents expired!)
pavel_lishin12 个月前
&gt; <i>Everyone &quot;normal&quot; just uses Excel for things that really need a relational database!</i><p>There&#x27;s your answer. Excel is <i>good enough</i> for most people&#x27;s needs, though I will admit that its failure mode is that people tend to get really good at it when they start pushing its boundaries to the point where a DB would serve them better.
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