Ask HN: Why isn't Laravel used in more enterprise apps?

You got the standards replies and maybe they are true.<p>Me, I rationally agree with those replies but my insticts tell me that it is because in an enterprise setting managers don&#x27;t want what works best, they want what can cover their ass best.<p>Java and .net do that.<p>If you as a manager use laravel and save the company tens of thousands, nobody gives a crap. If you use laravel and things go wrong, even if things would have gone even worse with java and .net they are gonna set your butt on fire and throw you out of a window.<p>Laravel is for entrepreneurs, java and .net for managers.<p>Just my opinion of course

Enterprise-scale companies tend to use Java or C#&#x2F;.Net, for a variety of reasons: familiarity, enterprise-scale tooling, easier to outsource, integration with other enterprise tools from Microsoft, Oracle, Salesforce, SAP, etc. Big companies tend to use tools they have already invested in, and have staff trained to use. Laravel&#x2F;PHP, or anything different from the languages and tools already in use are perceived as low-end and requiring parallel infrastructure and staff. Some large companies shy away from open source for core business products, preferring support contracts and stable, controlled release schedules.<p>The only time I see PHP at a large company is marketing groups setting up WordPress sites, on managed hosting, and they aren&#x27;t writing PHP.<p>You will find plenty of Laravel&#x2F;PHP and similar tooling in small and medium-sized businesses.

The Microsoft stack used in enterprise means many shops will be .net and that ties in nicely to other parts of the ms stack including db<p>I’ve not seen Java for a bit but it is around for large stacks because that’s what those vendors would use or for strongly typed use cases<p>I think python is also more prevalent for all the reasons including data science so seeing a php stack be less common.<p>Source: I’m talking years of government and private sector work in South Africa and New Zealand

Adding to this: I am very often surprised how little most developers of other stacks know and understand about the Java tooling: The IDEs, Frameworks, build tools and the JVM itself are by now so much ahead compared to everything else on the market (PHP, Node.js, Python, Golang, Ruby)... Add to this the stability of the Java platform, it is most of the time a no brainer to use it.

At least in Europe the enterprise market is hard to get in as a new player and the established companies have their expertise in Java&#x2F;.Net… and would never come up with a sentence like „That looks like a great project to try Laravel on“

It&#x27;s a startup weapon, not an enterprise weapon. It&#x27;s mostly an accident of history, Laravel itself is great.

Because it is hard to install php without LAMP.

Because of the well known low quality of PHP developers.