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The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

13 点作者 vwoolf12 个月前

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anonfordays12 个月前
There&#x27;s a 500 pound gorilla in the room:<p>Young men have collectively checked out of a society that has nothing but contempt for them. When the supermajority in academia have nothing good to say about you, opine about how &quot;toxic&quot; your existence is, and openly deride your struggles... who would want to spend four years and tens of thousands of dollars to be &quot;lectured&quot; by those people?<p>When men are suffering from record levels of depression, dying from suicide and drug overdoses at rates never seen, still being openly discriminated against and laughed at, supporting the system that not only allows, but encourages that behavior is ridiculous.
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matrix8712 个月前
The current generation(s) of graduating undergrads are getting utterly fucked. Especially the ones that took out loans. Because of the job market, they&#x27;ll just sit there and accrue interest<p>It&#x27;s crazy how much influence interest rates have on the broader economy and social mobility. If the fed keeps rates higher for longer I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if we saw a cliff in college enrollment back to where it was in decades previously. And if that happens we could see a similar cliff in political affiliation. Time will tell
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_heimdall12 个月前
This article seems to be based on an assumption that total college enrollment in and of itself is an important and meaningful metric, and that seeing it decrease is a bad thing.<p>In reality, looking at total enrollment rate matters for very few people. That stat is only meaningful to universities themselves and the banks writing student loans.<p>An individual&#x27;s life, or society as a whole isn&#x27;t made better solely by graduating college - at that point its just a piece of paper and a huge expense. What matters is how a person&#x27;s life compares to what it would have been without college, total enrollment will <i>never</i> tell you that.
zug_zug12 个月前
Eh, seems kinda linkbaity.<p>I&#x27;m not convinced there&#x27;s a crisis, perhaps lowered college enrollment is a good thing for everyone. If a student doesn&#x27;t enjoy it they don&#x27;t have to go, and if students don&#x27;t feel welcome in theory the free market will essentially correct without random internet people needing to fret.<p>I think the obvious thing to do, if one presumes college education is universally good, would be to simply ask the kids who don&#x27;t like college why they don&#x27;t like it.
nimbius12 个月前
so the article ignores the fact that most of the gen Z college kids theyre ostensibly referencing got a front-row seat to watch their parents struggle with undischargeable student loan debt that likely still haunts them into their retirement.<p>watching your parents toil in debtors prison is a great way to wind up rethinking your options for the future.<p>edit: this authors entire substack is mostly posts railing against DEI liberalism and flogging the culture war in general. low effort article.
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mindslight12 个月前
First, wtf is a &quot;Republican high school student&quot; ? How does a teenager &quot;identifying&quot; as a Republican or Democrat mean much beyond either trying to please or rebel against their parents? Wouldn&#x27;t this type of analysis make much more sense in terms of parents? Like perhaps Republican <i>parents</i> are more likely to steer their kids away from college due to this perceived trend of &quot;hyper-liberalism&quot; ?<p>Second, it&#x27;s gone from merely sloppy to outright fallacious to throw around &quot;Republican&quot; and &quot;conservative&quot; as if they&#x27;re synonyms, when in 2024 they&#x27;re completely opposed. With the rise of Trumpism (populist <i>reaction</i>, to use Moldbug&#x27;s own word), the Democratic party has basically been left as the home of conservatives - strong foreign policy, fiscal responsibility (pulling up from ZIRP), the rule of law, belief in societal institutions, and so on.<p>Tying these two points together points the way towards useful synthesis - bureaucracy heavy college campuses have actually gotten hyper-<i>conservative</i> (witness the harsh responses against protests of Israel&#x27;s genocide - still not much &quot;progress&quot; there!). But it&#x27;s conservatism based on the values of &quot;intersectional&quot; identity politics that have become part of the zeitgeist over the past several decades. The &quot;culture war&quot; already ended some time in the oughties, with the religious fundamentalists losing. Or did you buy into that nonsense that Fortune 500 companies are advertising with rainbow flags to &quot;push an agenda&quot;, rather than merely tying their brands to the majority&#x27;s values?<p>I&#x27;m quite sure there are still actual liberals on college campuses - seeing through the &quot;intersectional&quot; pantheon, but not falling for the comforting destructive reactionary nonsense either - looking forward to actual true progress past both. But as always, the revolution will not be televised and all that. The only question is whether us oldies will listen or if they&#x27;ll have to begrudgingly wait for our deaths, too.
zer00eyz12 个月前
Look I lean pretty far left. But some times I feel like my fellow lefties are blind to their right leaning peers.<p>Someone needs to clue the author in to middle skill jobs. Plumbers, electricians, machinists, elevator repair... There are a lot of people going into industry&#x27;s because of parents or extended family gave them a foot in the door. Because many of them started young and by 18 are already &quot;middle skilled&quot;.<p>You now have kids in red states who understand the math behind loans because they watch their parents get burned, because they use the internet, because they know folks who went to college, didn&#x27;t finish and spent years paying it off.<p>Candidly I would grant for many of them skipping school makes more sense than getting a degree that amounts to under water basket weaving when it comes to job prospects.
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colechristensen12 个月前
Wrong. The problem was when interest peaked and people were giving the impression that the only path anyone should take is seeking a university degree. A whole lot of people ended up spending an enormous amount of money and working really hard on degrees that did not add value to their lives either through career opportunities or the other nonjob benefits a university degree can offer but increasingly does not because so many are just chasing the certification and have little interest in education for its own sake.<p>Immigration programs like H1B also sucked the market out of low end education required jobs so employers never had to reach out to entice rural kids to getting degrees and joining them. The open door to immigration left those people behind which has fueled the current class&#x2F;ideology conflict in the US. Donald Trump is what half the country imagines their best case of success would look like because there’s so little of people that they identify with gaining success.
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drak0n1c12 个月前
The subset of the youth population for whom attending college has both personal and societal benefits has been far exceeded for some time now. Classic case of subsidies inducing excessive demand, along with all the negative effects on prices (tuition), supply (bloated admins, more graduates than jobs), and time&#x2F;money opportunity cost borne by the students and the institutions optimizing for capacity.