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Show HN: I'm a doctor and built a responsive breathing app for anxiety and sleep

51 点作者 lukko12 个月前
Hey HN!<p>I’m an NHS doctor and the founder of Pia (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.piahealth.co" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.piahealth.co</a>) which developed Lungy (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lungy.app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lungy.app</a>). Lungy is an iOS app that responds to breathing in real-time and was designed to make breathing exercises more engaging and beneficial to do. It’s been just over a year since Lungy launched (here’s the original ShowHN: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34534615">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=34534615</a>) and it&#x27;s had a huge update and complete redesign. We rebuilt the whole app, and added a real-time 3D soft body solver which gives some really cool interactions like blobs &#x2F; objects that inflate as you breathe. We also made a version for Vision Pro, called &#x27;Lungy Spaces&#x27;.<p>My background is as a junior surgical trainee and I started building Lungy in 2020 during the first COVID lockdown in London. During COVID, there were huge numbers of patients coming off ventilators and patients are often given breathing exercises on a worksheet and disposable plastic devices called incentive spirometers to encourage deep breathing. This is intended to prevent chest infections and strengthen breathing muscles that have weakened. I noticed often the incentive spirometer would sit by the bedside, whilst the patient would be on their phone – this was the spark that lead to Lungy!<p>Since making the first version we’ve made exercises fully customisable (you can dial in exact timings for each breath phase), added new breathing indicators, learning modules, e.g. self-care for anxiety symptoms, and lots of new visuals. The free version gives you access to a new breathing exercise each day, whilst premium ($14.99 per year, $39.99 unlimited) unlocks the full library of exercises, exercise data and visuals..<p>The visuals are mostly built using Metal (a couple use SpriteKit) and there are lots to choose from - boids, cloth sims, fluid sims, a hacky DLA implementation, rigid body + soft body sims - each one reacts to breath and touch. The audio uses AudioKit with a polyphonic synth and a sequencer plays generated notes from a chosen scale (you can mess around with the sequencer and synth in Settings&#x2F;Create Music). The nice thing about the visuals + audio being generative is that the download size is relatively small with no other downloads. We’re still working on improving the breath detection, using ML - currently, it uses microphone input, with optional camera input to guide positioning.<p>We’re also close to finishing the medical device version - <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;lungy.health" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;lungy.health</a> - designed as a pulmonary rehab platform for patients with asthma and COPD, it should hopefully be released in the UK early 2025.<p>Thanks for reading - would love to hear any feedback!<p>Lungy Version 2 here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;apple-store&#x2F;id1545223887" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;apple-store&#x2F;id1545223887</a>

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chefandy12 个月前
This looks great- I&#x27;d give it a shot.<p>Marketing note: I&#x27;m pretty sure it&#x27;s regional, but in the very densely populated place I grew up, lungy was a synonym for loogie, which if you&#x27;ve never heard the term, is phlegm mixed with saliva forcibly spit at someone or something. Unfortunately, I just viscerally find that name pretty repulsive through some deep-seated associations that would be pretty stubborn to rewire and that would probably work against the app&#x27;s intended function. I&#x27;m not sure how wide of a region that&#x27;s true for, but like I said, it was a very densely populated part of the US.<p>This isn&#x27;t a criticism, it&#x27;s just that I&#x27;d want to know that if it was my app.
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IndySun12 个月前
In your experience do you also find that the average person making basic errors when breathing? Are they inefficient breathers? What are the long term consequences? I changed the way I breathe several decades ago after a few yoga lessons, and has come in useful almost every day. Being mindful of ones diaphragm was key, ie, if I am still doing it correctly.
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torlok12 个月前
What is this exactly? On one hand you&#x27;re talking about anxiety and sleep, and in that aspect this looks like just a spin on guided meditation, unless you have studies that show that weak breathing muscles are an issue in this case. On the other hand you&#x27;re talking about an incentive spirometer, which is a medical device. An app isn&#x27;t a medical device, and I doubt you can give any guarantees it&#x27;ll work. Besides that, if I needed treatment, I&#x27;d expect a licensed professional to give me exercises, and since the physical device is like 10$, I don&#x27;t see how your 15$ subscription is competitive. Especially that breathing exercises can worsen some medical conditions.
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mark_and_sweep12 个月前
Any plans for porting to Android?
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snig12 个月前
Thanks a lot for sharing this the app is beautiful. I work in a same domain and the breath detection is always hit or miss, have you guys considered a technical newsletter or a blog in the future ?
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jtwaleson12 个月前
Your regulatory approach seems well researched. Nice job on that! Most people underestimate how much time and effort it takes to get a medical device certified. Launching as a non-medical device first, getting some feel for PMF and then expanding the claims is the smart way to go.
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mritchie71212 个月前
What do you think is the most effective breathing exercise to increase energy and focus? e.g. an exercise you might do before starting to write code.<p>I like 6 seconds in thru the nose, 2 seconds out thru the mouth (forcefully) for about 90 seconds, but would love to hear your thoughts!
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beingfit12 个月前
This is not answered in your FAQ: any plans for an Apple Watch app with a complication to show something and&#x2F;or launch it? I presume how it would work with the watch would be different from how it works with the phone.
iscrewyou12 个月前
If anyone is looking for more in this space with a beautiful design, I’m a huge fan of unwind: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;app&#x2F;unwind-guided-breathing&#x2F;id1470613384" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;app&#x2F;unwind-guided-breathing&#x2F;id1470...</a><p>Free version is really good. Not sure how it’ll compare to the premium version though.
selimthegrim12 个月前
It looks really cool. Do you think there’s any applications to central or obstructive sleep apnea?
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mmdesignsldn211 个月前
Hi, would you be looking for support to help build the Android app?
lilouartz12 个月前
That&#x27;s a very beautiful app
zblevins12 个月前
This is pretty great.
zblevins12 个月前
Oh this is great!