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Photoshop ToS grants Adobe access to user projects for 'content moderation'

260 点作者 typeofhuman12 个月前

23 条评论

20after412 个月前
If you're still using Adobe's products, stop. Better late than never. Adobe had some great products. Then they over charged for them. Then they required a "cloud" subscription. There are alternatives. Support one of the startups or open source projects that are competing with them. Don't give Adobe another cent.
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shrubble12 个月前
I remember a number of years ago getting a cheap 1-year Lightroom susbscription as part of a promo.<p>Got it installed, loaded up a few photos. Then went back to the directory to load the photos in a different program for comparison.<p>The photos were deleted from my hard drive!<p>They were loaded into Lightroom&#x27;s cloud service, and without my knowledge or permission (and I was using the just-installed defaults) it had deleted those files I had touched with Lightroom and &quot;helpfully&quot; uploaded them.<p>I uninstalled Lightroom within the hour.
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vunderba12 个月前
I migrated away from Adobe after Photoshop CS6 which I believe was the last release before they switched over to a subscription only pricing model.<p>If you&#x27;re looking for a Photoshop alternative to break away from the incredibly user hostile relationship with Adobe I can heartily recommend either Krita (open source) or Pixelmator (Mac only).<p>Pixelmator Pro is my daily driver for image related work and is incredibly snappy and surprisingly full featured for an application that costs a fraction of PS - $50.00 onetime fee.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pixelmator.com&#x2F;pro&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pixelmator.com&#x2F;pro&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;krita.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;krita.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;</a>
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Brajeshwar12 个月前
Adobe Photoshop was one of the tools that helped me earn money professionally during my school and college days, so I had a nostalgic relationship with it. Then, I had a good relationship with Adobe in various ways for a long time in the 2000s.<p>I stopped using such tools long back, but I wanted to keep one handy to remind me of the old days. I found Serif&#x27;s Affinity[1] to be a good alternative so far. I&#x27;ve been a customer since its beta, and I had to buy once, then an upgrade with their recent v2.0<p>The other good, light, quick, and easy-to-use alternative is Pixelmator Pro[2]. In the last 4-5 years, I think I have only had to pay for it twice.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;affinity.serif.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;affinity.serif.com&#x2F;</a><p>2. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pixelmator.com&#x2F;pro&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pixelmator.com&#x2F;pro&#x2F;</a>
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grishka12 个月前
Does this only relate to things you put into their cloud, or does Photoshop now upload your <i>offline files</i> to Adobe servers as well?<p>By the way, it&#x27;s always morally correct to pirate Adobe software for personal use. Which also allows you to fully firewall it because it no longer needs to talk to the activation server.
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politelemon12 个月前
A large swathe of professionals campaigned on behalf of Adobe when they switched from perpetual to subscription licensing. They willingly turned over control and this is merely the consequences of that willingness, which Adobe will continue to take advantage of. I don&#x27;t see this leading to any changes, just pointing it out.
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barbariangrunge12 个月前
&gt; The user agreement also leaves open the possibility to train AI using user-generated content, saying they can use the content they retrieve to “improve our Services and Software“.
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undo-k12 个月前
I replaced photoshop with photopea a while ago. I only use it for light work, but it’s the lowest friction alternative I’ve tried that runs on Linux.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.photopea.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.photopea.com&#x2F;</a>
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Lammy12 个月前
I will hold on to my activation-free fully-offline Photoshop CS3 until the day Win32 finally dies. Still using it daily with an equally-old Wacom tablet to clean up all my flatbed scans :)
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Narhem12 个月前
The amount of illegal probing of my computers regardless of ToS has made me extremely uncomfortable.
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skilled12 个月前
I am guessing this needs to be taken with a grain of salt since the author did not get a reply from Adobe. Doesn’t look like they bothered to get it either.<p>As I am reading it, this should not affect NDA work.
hereme88812 个月前
Lol!<p>&quot;Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software...we can access and use your data, even for marketing our Software or services.&quot;<p>The gall of these people...
davidee12 个月前
I loathe Adobe, and yet we still pay for their products. I hated when they moved to subscription and stuck with CS5.5 for ages.<p>However as the team grew and we needed seats for our talent, Creative Cloud was a small added cost worth paying.<p>This might be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.<p>But, Libraries were a game changer - especially for those who needed quick, easy access to assets generated by other artists on the team.<p>And generative fill in photoshop is exceptional.<p>Still, we’re a much smaller team now and we can absolutely transition our skills to other suites&#x2F;applications.<p>I’ve long been an affinity customer just to encourage the development of the alternative. Time to start playing more seriously.
marcomourao12 个月前
I stopped using Adobe a couple of years ago, replaced it with the Affinity suite. Publisher still lacks a lot of InDesign features but it gets the job done.<p>For photography I&#x27;m using FastRawViewer for culling and Photomator for editing.
zamalek12 个月前
Unexpectedly fantastic news! My wife makes extensive use of the adobe PDF editing tools, which is has been a major blocker for getting her onto linux. What is a good replacement that works on windows and linux? Non-free is fine.
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mesh12 个月前
Adobe post info here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.adobe.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;publish&#x2F;2024&#x2F;06&#x2F;06&#x2F;clarification-adobe-terms-of-use" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.adobe.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;publish&#x2F;2024&#x2F;06&#x2F;06&#x2F;clarification-a...</a><p>Including a diff of what actually changed in the TOS.
jerojero12 个月前
I&#x27;m going to be using their service for another year and then cancelling (my &quot;annual&quot; plan starts on march).
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Havoc12 个月前
Corporations are getting more and more liberal with what rights to other people’s stuff they grant themselves
stuckkeys12 个月前
What are the thoughts on Krita?
soygem12 个月前
I still can&#x27;t draw a circle in gimp :(
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LocalH12 个月前
It may not be <i>legal</i>, but it&#x27;s always <i>moral</i> to pirate Adobe when they do this shit.
quitit12 个月前
Even if this is not what Adobe are doing, the author of the tweet is not incorrect to make such an interpretation from the terms.<p>Now would be a good time for Adobe to do away with vague &quot;catch all&quot; language, because we now live in an era where user data is being swept up for AI model generation and governments are leaning heavily into tech companies for policing.<p>However to play the devil&#x27;s advocate we can see how these terms have come about without rounding up to tweeter&#x27;s interpretation.<p><i>Note: There is also good reasoning to believe this interpretation because using software that collects data indiscriminately would significantly impact the ability of Adobe&#x27;s large customers to use their software. Since service agreements and various compliance standards forbid as such.</i><p>First up are Adobe&#x27;s online terms that relate to CSAM, abiding by subpoenas, security, and feedback&#x2F;bug support. Those are all pretty standard for hosted services. So while some may not like that, this is a &quot;nothing to see here&quot; clause.<p>However the &quot;gotcha&quot; for users comes about because <i>a lot</i> of Adobe&#x27;s features rely on their cloud infrastructure which they may use unintentionally. This extends beyond using their cloud storage allowance or the Behance social network. Here are some examples:<p>- Generative AI: in &amp; out painting will send image data to Adobe for matching.<p>- Farm rendering: Some apps, such as Dimension, feature off-site processing options. These of course mean that your content, textures, logos, etc are then on Adobe&#x27;s servers for processing.<p>- Forms dissemination: Hosting forms means that Adobe will have not just your content, but also that of people that fill out the form.<p>- Review features: Review features are all performed through the cloud.<p>- Moving documents between devices: Using the app&#x27;s built into tools to move a document&#x2F;graphic between devices is performed via the cloud.<p>There are many more scenarios, but I&#x27;ve tried to choose a range to demonstrate variety, and how that extends beyond actions where the user is deliberately using online storage.<p>The next part of Adobe&#x27;s terms is noting that they don&#x27;t specifically call out online versus offline processing, rather they use the terms &quot;Services&quot; and &quot;Products&quot;. This would appear to be explainable as Adobe&#x27;s apps include algorithms that enforce certain types of document security, such as anti-counterfeiting measures, watermarking, Content Credentials and copyright embedding. The vague language of this clause is the source of the problem, as Adobe don&#x27;t demarcate where and why the processing is performed.<p>So in summary the overly vague language can be chalked up to legal brevity, but in this era that is insufficient for peace of mind.
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barbariangrunge12 个月前
For alternatives, I really liked the affinity suite, but they just got acquired.