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GameStop stock influencer Roaring Kitty may lose access to E-Trade, report says

65 点作者 rurp12 个月前

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elihu12 个月前
&gt; &quot;In 2021, Gill&#x27;s social media activity on Reddit helped drive GameStop stock to historic highs. At that time, Gill encouraged others to invest in the stock—not based on the fundamentals of GameStop business but on his pure love for GameStop. The craze that he helped spark rapidly triggered temporary restrictions on GameStop trading, as well as a congressional hearing, but ultimately there were few consequences for Gill, who disappeared after making at least $30 million, the WSJ reported.&quot;<p>That seems like a willful mischaracterization of what really happened. The thing that made GameStop share value go way up wasn&#x27;t that some guy started an internet fad, it that the stock was heavily shorted and an Internet community was able to successfully take advantage of that fact.<p>As the price went up, the shorts had to buy shares to cover their positions, and that caused the price to go up even more. It was a short squeeze. People blame Keith Gill and &#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets for causing the stock price to diverge from its rational value, but as I see it, it was the shorts that did that. The squeeze was just a means by which an inherently unstable and irrational market condition corrects itself.<p>(Though I suppose it&#x27;s also worth adding that at least some of the enthusiasm for buying GME was the prospect of causing hedge fund managers to soil their trousers.)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;GameStop_short_squeeze" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;GameStop_short_squeeze</a>
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noman-land12 个月前
I don&#x27;t have anything smart to say about this but I absolutely love when wacky internet handles are used in otherwise sober news reporting.
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Cub312 个月前
I don&#x27;t understand how &quot;Roaring Kitty&quot; is illegally manipulating the market.<p>What has he done &#x2F; is he doing that&#x27;s illegal? Can no one post on social media that they are interested in a stock?
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violet1312 个月前
What&#x27;s interesting to me is why this story leaked. I bet it&#x27;s just Morgan Stanley (the owner of E-Trade) trying to control they narrative. If they just cut him off, he gets to tell his story, MS can&#x27;t officially discuss the particulars, and the company ends up getting a lot of hate mail.<p>But if they leak the official justification beforehand, then Roaring Kitty will have a harder time spinning it.
wcchandler12 个月前
Still haven’t found a source for the claim. That’s a red flag.<p>And secondly, do large investment firms regularly disclose their high earning clients and their positions?
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dclowd990112 个月前
Stripping away everything else, imagine you had a way to make a stock go up or down based on what you said. Do you think you should be able to trade? Do you think you should be able to talk?<p>These are kind of preposterous questions but really, with so many gullible people out there, and with the market the way it is (a nebulous machine where reaction wins out), I wonder what the point of any of it is if someone like Gill can just fuck around with it by posting on Reddit.
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tedunangst12 个月前
So there&#x27;s a report by somebody reported to somebody that somebody <i>may</i> do something. Or maybe not.
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thewanderer198312 个月前
As of this post there is only one account that even mentions the naked shorting which kick started all of this. For those who would like a quick video rundown on understanding what happened. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;Cancelcloco&#x2F;status&#x2F;1790524969623175629" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;Cancelcloco&#x2F;status&#x2F;1790524969623175629</a>
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TeMPOraL12 个月前
Way to underplay the headline. &quot;Roaring Kitty&quot; is no one else but &#x2F;u&#x2F;DeepFuckingValue - not mere &quot;influencer&quot;, but the face and the banner behind the ol&#x27; Robinhood&#x2F;GameStock trading saga - which is why I&#x27;m not surprised the trading companies got worried.
diogenescynic12 个月前
Meanwhile most of Congress is day trading on insider information but the media hardly cares.
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compsciphd12 个月前
Is it E-Trades (or any brokers?) job to prevent a stock market manipulator from trading or is that the SEC&#x27;s (or someone else&#x27;s) job to do.<p>i.e. why can&#x27;t E-Trade simply refer it to the govt and have them decide. i.e. &quot;We suspect this person is doing something illegal, but its your job to make that determination and to create the legal structure that allows us to not provide them with a service to continue doing that&quot;?<p>of course if it was &quot;we know&quot; vs &quot;we suspect&#x2F;worry&quot; that might be different, but if they are debating if they should cut off or not, I can&#x27;t believe it &quot;we know&quot;.
therobots92712 个月前
I’m surprised he didn’t spread his position across multiple brokers. Oh well.
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Animats12 个月前
He&#x27;s trading enough that he could use some other major brokerage.
vessenes12 个月前
I&#x27;m really enjoying Keith Gill&#x27;s second coming. Of major note -- he first appeared with $53k in 2019, kicking off the original GME. His recent brokerage account shows (as of tonight assuming he didn&#x27;t sell anything) something like $300mm+ of equity value. And a cost basis of like $170+mm. He has been BUSY the last four years. I&#x27;m looking forward to the second documentary.<p>To summarize the internet speculations -- with 12mm shares sold to him through his in-the-money calls, if he chooses to exercise them, and then directly register them, he will likely create some real havoc. Meanwhile 1mm or so redditors are buying retail, options and the underlying. It should be a fun 10 days.<p>The Gill play would be:<p>1. Exercise call options<p>2. Direct register the shares<p>3. Repeat.<p>Why would this create havoc? Well, it looks pretty clear that most of these calls have been written naked, that is, someone, somewhere just left the liability for the calls on the balance sheet, and didn&#x27;t, you know, buy any shares to cover them.<p>Normally this wouldn&#x27;t be a big deal -- an options trader would sell close to the bell on the 20th at prices that market makers quote as very close to the value, and there&#x27;s a whole take-a-tiny-slice-for-the-service-thank-you-ma&#x27;am industry that deals with settlement and clearing. In this case, though, the stock is fairly heavily shorted. And GME retail owners speculate that a lot of phantom &#x2F; fake shares are in play on the market &#x2F; @ DTCC, the usual place share registries are kept for retail brokerage.<p>So, what will happen if Mr. Gill requires what is essentially <i>delivery</i> of his shares through direct registration? The idea would be that the naked call writer will need to go purchase shares. Gill purchased in roughly 500k-1mm share blocks, so imagine he starts out and is like, &quot;Thank you good sir, here&#x27;s your $20mm for my 1mm shares at $20. Please send them. Today.&quot;<p>The seller will then be like &quot;fuck, okay, I need to go purchase 1mm shares ASAP.&quot; The proposal is that these naked call sellers will <i>not</i> then be able to call up DTCC and say &quot;yo, my balance sheet is fine, please put 1mm phantom GME shares onto E-Trade&#x27;s account, ref: Roaring Kitty.&quot; Instead they&#x27;ll have to buy non-phantom, deliverable shares. This will push the price up.<p>The remaining 11mm shares that are due by the other call sellers will then cost more to buy, and this will trigger additional risk considerations. These sellers may choose to buy some percentage early to cover, or they may wait. But, if they wait, Gill could again be like &quot;I&#x27;d like my next 1mm shares, thanks&quot;.<p>All this is business as usual, what&#x27;s different here is the scale -- this is a pretty large holder, <i>just</i> under the SEC sizing rules where Gill would be considered an insider by virtue of his holdings alone -- and that Gill has a band of retail traders who want, more than anything, to beat the hedge funds selling these calls &#x2F; doing the shorts.<p>I&#x27;d love to see this play out as described; if it cost some major market movers a few billion dollars and killed an aggressive short or two in the process, it would be a nice &quot;natural consequence&quot; for some of the ways the market works against these smaller players like Gamestop, plus it&#x27;s amazing theatre, where we get to cheer for a guy named &quot;DeepFuckingValue&quot; on reddit.<p>Note that to the extent there&#x27;s value in GME, it <i>is</i> in fact deep value; it comes from being a sort of whipping boy company with a failed model that was a <i>little</i> more resilient than expected; in 2019 it had (from memory) something like -$500mm in net income, and less than a year of cash. Now it has over $1bn in cash and is basically cashflow positive on its balance sheet yield. It still doesn&#x27;t seem to have a viable retail business. But it has a weird modern form of capital - social capital. And the CEO has leveraged that into, you know, cash capital. I&#x27;m sure he&#x27;s planning additional share issuance over the next few weeks to top up the coffers again.<p>Very fun.
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chriscappuccio12 个月前
awesome
heybrendan12 个月前
Things are indeed heating up when a saga that&#x27;s been unfolding for over four years begins to attract attention on HN.<p>A user or two have characterized Gill&#x27;s activity as a pump-and-dump. From the article:<p>&gt; A common form of this fraud is a pump-and-dump scheme, where fraudsters &quot;make false and misleading statements to create a buying frenzy, and then sell shares at the pumped-up price.&quot;<p>Gill took a significant position in Gamestop beginning in June 2019 [1], and has been steadily increasing his position over the years (AFAICT without selling).<p>How is the belief in the long-term recovery and turn around of what was then, a dysfunctional (and unprofitable) American retailer, anything but rather prescient and patriotic?<p>Even if we were to concede that Gill is now in a position of influence, the suggestion that enforcement agencies should suddenly jump in and that litigation should &#x2F;begin&#x2F; with him, rather than TV personalities and elected officials, strikes me as laughable.<p>Notwithstanding the ethical and security implications of a brokerage publicly broadcasting that a customer has an account on their platform (I would be livid if this happened to me), if E-Trade were to close Gill&#x27;s account, would that not be a concrete admission that his position has them vulnerable, thereby strengthening and supporting the underlying thesis?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Keith_Gill#Position_on_GameStop" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Keith_Gill#Position_on_GameSto...</a>
arkis2212 个月前
I don&#x27;t really think he&#x27;ll lose access, but they are absolutely in contact with the SEC and there is a non zero chance he gets charged with market manipulation.
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