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An Interview with Lola De La Mata about tinnitus

119 点作者 Afforess11 个月前

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blueridge11 个月前
I have severe hyperacusis and have had tinnitus for decades. My entire life is a quest for quiet and silence. If we're going out with friends, the first thing I want to know is how loud the environment is, and if it's going to be a noisy outing, I decline. I often dream of buying a place in the backcountry because the noise and electronic resonance humming through the suburbs is terribly distracting and physically painful. I am still in the process of buying and returning kitchen appliances, trying to find a refrigerator that doesn't whine all day long.
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drones11 个月前
<p><pre><code> The most mind-blowing moment, not only for De La Mata but the scientists too, came when they managed to actually record the sounds that she heard in her ears – which now appear as ‘Left Ear’ and ‘Right Ear’ which begin sides A and B on the album – and in doing so opened up questions about the nature of tinnitus itself. “The NHS definition is that it’s a phantom sound that your brain is creating, that it isn’t something ‘real’, so you should try to ignore it.” By having De La Mata place her ear into an anechoic chamber, with an ultra-sensitive microphone perched in her ear canal, they were able to provide significant evidence to the contrary. “After the first recording of it, it was ‘There’s no way, this isn’t possible.’” They tried again with her breath held, and again with her tensing her ears, and again with other members of staff, but each time it became apparent that yes, the noises De La Mata hears are seemingly something physical. </code></pre> Utterly fascinating. I hope more research comes of this.
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plasma_beam11 个月前
22 years ago I permanently damaged my left ear at a beach concert on Tortola, British Virgin Islands. I was young, drinking in the sun, and standing far too close to a concert speaker stack that was turned up way too loud. The damage started off as pain - felt like water was stuck in my ear for weeks. It&#x27;s still noticeable 22 years later. I&#x27;ll always regret that moment, but have come to accept it. Your ears are so fragile.
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JPLeRouzic11 个月前
I have a strong tinnitus, 20 years ago I asked a doctor if he could do something about it. He put his stethoscope on my skull and told me &quot;It&#x27;s weird I can hear something&quot;. Alas, he was unable to help me. Since today I haven&#x27;t thought about the contradiction between a physical and the omnipresent mantra that &quot;Tinnitus is not something physical, it is just a noise that the brain made up&quot;.
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adamgordonbell11 个月前
I get tinnitus when it&#x27;s really quiet and it feels a lot like my brain is just turning up the gain so much it picks up the noise floor.<p>Some audio cleaning tools can do the same if applied incorrectly.<p>It makes sense hearing loss would make this worse. Less signal more gain needs to be applied.
tomcam11 个月前
If you&#x27;re young and are lucky enough to not have tinnitus, here are the pros and cons of a lifetime of good audio hygiene. I&#x27;m old and retired and don&#x27;t have it. My ears are incredibly important: would much rather be deaf than blind.<p>I love loud music right down to my core, but when I was in my early 20s it was already clear that many of my musical heroes were going deaf. The general rule is not to listen to anything in your headphones so loud that you can&#x27;t detect conversation nearby. Another principle is if people can your music on headphones from more than a yard or two away, it&#x27;s too loud.<p>So what it cost me was not cranking up my favorite music when listening. I grew accustomed a much lower volume than I enjoy. It wasn&#x27;t hard, like getting used to decaf coffee or Diet Coke over sugary Coke. I go to a few concerts a year and don&#x27;t ear earplugs.<p>Overall it&#x27;s been very worth it and the cost has been minimal.
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subroutine11 个月前
&gt; low floating tones would cover [other people’s] speech<p>This is not my experience. I&#x27;ve had tinnitus my entire life, and it&#x27;s more of a phantom sound (cf. phantom limb) than a something that competes with sounds in the real world. That is, if there is any real noise like speech it basically gets muted. In a completely quiet environment however the ringing sensation can be comparable to high pitch TV static. The quieter the environment, the louder it gets.
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alexpc20111 个月前
I think it was Hugo Zucarelli, the inventor of Holophonics, the recording system used for albums by Roger Waters and Pink Floyd, who discovered that the human ear generates a sound of a specific frequency which it uses through interference to discern the spatial location of a sound source. This has always been a mystery as to how, besides knowing if a sound is to our left or right, we can also tell if it comes from behind or in front of us, above or below us, which should be impossible with just two ears on the sides of our head.
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neonate11 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20240606093250&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thequietus.com&#x2F;interviews&#x2F;lola-de-la-mata-oceans-on-azimuth-tinnitus-interview&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20240606093250&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thequietu...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;uuRuX" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;uuRuX</a>
baxtr11 个月前
When it’s super quiet I hear a constant high pitch sound and there is nothing I can do get rid of it.<p>But I don’t care about it. I wonder if I have a tinnitus or not.
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sentimentscan11 个月前
Tinnitus can also be caused by tumour (Vestibular schwannoma <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vestibular_schwannoma" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vestibular_schwannoma</a>). I sometimes hear high pitched sound (like hiss) in my left ear and have hearing loss of higher frequencies. I was luckily that it was discovered at MRI with contrast. You can treat it with gamma knife ( Radiosurgery ), but sadly in my case it quite near the nerve, so I can&#x27;t do it, but lucky it is too small for surgery and isn&#x27;t malignant. So currently I have to simply go to MRI yearly and observe.<p>(After party i got quite sick with bacterial infection, and that caused me to go few doctors, one I think sixth doctor audiologist recommended to me MRI, as this is quite rare)
arnonejoe11 个月前
The mere mention of tinnitus and suddenly I hear the high pitched sound in my head. I wonder if it’s this way for others?
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wyager11 个月前
I thought this sounded like BS, so I looked a bit more closely into ear physiology.<p>You obviously need some kind of energy source (either an active amplifier or a noisy pump source) to have resonances that can be recorded. What would that be for tinnitus? Blood flow noise?<p>Well it turns out that there <i>is</i> thought to be active amplification in mammalian ears, via the outer hair cells. They have some sort of active motor protein setup that is thought to physically amplify incoming sounds. So you can get a self-sustaining resonance that way. A healthy ear will emit sounds from spurious or resonant activation of these motor proteins.<p>Apparently this is thought to cause a minority of cases of tinnitus.<p>I looked into if I could buy probe microphones to test my own ears. Looks like Etymotic sells a couple in the $1500 range (as of the mid-90s), presumably more expensive now. Couldn&#x27;t find any good deals on used lab-grade probe microphones online.
thereisnospork11 个月前
If there&#x27;s a literal sound, then with sufficiently sensitive microphones it should be possible to triangulate the sound and cauterize the source? Or maybe just glue it so it can&#x27;t vibrate?
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xref11 个月前
The ringing in my ears has always sounded like the high-voltage flyback inside old CRT tvs&#x2F;monitors. Maybe I spent too long around them.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Flyback_converter" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Flyback_converter</a>
zackmorris11 个月前
I had tinnitus? for several years, which might have been some kind of TMJ thing or pinched nerve. I recently wore an ALF appliance to fix sleep apnea and to correct a twisted bite from maybe sleeping on headgear on one side as a child, and thankfully the ringing went away. It sounded like the whine after an explosion in movies:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=VePV-gsNBNc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=VePV-gsNBNc</a><p>I feel like maybe the brain fills in the missing frequencies from damaged hair cells or pinched nerves and hallucinates the sound. Like in this Coke can red-cyan color illusion:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;opticalillusions&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1cc8cwp&#x2F;coca_cola_classic&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;opticalillusions&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1cc8cwp&#x2F;c...</a><p>Reddit regrettably makes it hard to link directly to images, so here&#x27;s one you can zoom yourself with command&#x2F;control +&#x2F;- for proof:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gagadget.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;446542-a-photo-of-a-coca-cola-can-that-looks-red-but-is-made-up-of-only-black-and-blue-pixels-is-being-shared-on-social-media-how-does-it-work&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gagadget.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;446542-a-photo-of-a-coca-cola-can-th...</a><p>Maybe a hearing aid could be set up to amplify the frequencies near the whine and dampen the rest. Kind of like adding cyan to the can so that it no longer appears red. Or removing cyan from the surrounding image.<p>I just tried doing a deep dive on how hair cells work, but I&#x27;m just seeing a bunch of research papers. It mainly says that they don&#x27;t grow back after dying. I thought that the frequency they detected was based on their location in the cochlea, but it sounds like they have a random distribution of resonant frequencies instead.<p>Maybe gene therapy could be used to increase or re-roll the hair cell randomness so that other cells could take over for the missing ones. Or maybe a drug could make them grow or shrink slightly at random to change their resonant frequencies, like how eating biotin makes your hair grow.<p>Knowing nothing about this, I wish there was a way for people who geek out on stuff to be able to solve a bunch of random problems and make rent, like in a think tank. I get so bored and tired of working on the same old CRUD apps day after day as tech gets more marginalized with ever-increasing workload for the same pay.
echelon11 个月前
I hate this article, yet there might be something real here.<p>On the cover, this article looks like pesudo-scientific hogwash and a marketing puff piece for some artist&#x27;s album. It drones on and on.<p>But this morsel could be absolutely groundbreaking if true:<p>&gt; The most mind-blowing moment, not only for De La Mata but the scientists too, came when they managed to actually record the sounds that she heard in her ears – which now appear as ‘Left Ear’ and ‘Right Ear’ which begin sides A and B on the album – and in doing so opened up questions about the nature of tinnitus itself. “The NHS definition is that it’s a phantom sound that your brain is creating, that it isn’t something ‘real’, so you should try to ignore it.” By having De La Mata place her ear into an anechoic chamber, with an ultra-sensitive microphone perched in her ear canal, they were able to provide significant evidence to the contrary. “After the first recording of it, it was ‘There’s no way, this isn’t possible.’” They tried again with her breath held, and again with her tensing her ears, and again with other members of staff, but each time it became apparent that yes, the noises De La Mata hears are seemingly something physical.<p>Is this actually real, or was this made up? Was it simply amplified blood flow, CSF, or some other biological and unrelated phenomena? Is anyone looking into this?<p>This is the absolutely wrong window dressing and treatment for this kind of news and investigation. This shouldn&#x27;t be puffed up marketing, but should instead be in scientific news circles and in the hands of principal investigators.<p>I&#x27;m skeptical, but maybe there&#x27;s a valid line of research here that could result in a treatment for lots of impacted people.
nerdponx11 个月前
The article is long (but interesting!) and a lot of it isn&#x27;t about the particular scientific discovery in the headline.<p>Here&#x27;s the part that describes the discovery:<p>&gt; The most mind-blowing moment, not only for De La Mata but the scientists too, came when they managed to actually record the sounds that she heard in her ears – which now appear as ‘Left Ear’ and ‘Right Ear’ which begin sides A and B on the album – and in doing so opened up questions about the nature of tinnitus itself. “The NHS definition is that it’s a phantom sound that your brain is creating, that it isn’t something ‘real’, so you should try to ignore it.” By having De La Mata place her ear into an anechoic chamber, with an ultra-sensitive microphone perched in her ear canal, they were able to provide significant evidence to the contrary. “After the first recording of it, it was ‘There’s no way, this isn’t possible.’” They tried again with her breath held, and again with her tensing her ears, and again with other members of staff, but each time it became apparent that yes, the noises De La Mata hears are seemingly something physical. More intriguingly still, the two women whose ears were recorded, De La Mata and Lana Norris – the musicologist whose voice appears on the album’s ‘PINK Noise’, and who is also a choral director – were the only two people whose ears were found to produce spontaneous otoacoustic emissions. “It’s something to do with hormone difference, but they don’t really know why,” De La Mata says. Present in most children but believed to fade over time, they’re also found far more in musicians than in other adults, for reasons yet unknown. It all raises a lot of questions. “What I have is tinnitus by the definition we have now, but maybe that’s not correct. Maybe it’s something else,” De La Mata wonders aloud.<p>Is there an academic followup to this? I would imagine that this is a pretty major anatomical&#x2F;medical discovery and that the discoverers would want to write a paper about it.
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bowsamic11 个月前
This has been known for a long time, I’m not sure why it’s being reported on as if it’s a new discovery<p>EDIT why the downvotes? I’m honestly on the edge of deleting my account here at this point
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zzzeek11 个月前
I modded this up because of the discussion regarding that tinnitus in at least some form might be an actual physically observable phenomenon. As for the article itself I saw a wall of foofy &quot;longread for elite intellectuals&quot; style text and skipped it entirely. Looking forward to some more meat and potatoes stories on this possible phenomenon.