Anyone else lurk and feel like they understand nothing?

87 点作者 to-too-two11 个月前

I’m a hobbyist game developer and I’ve been on here for years. The content seems fascinating but honestly I understand almost nothing that’s being said here even though I’ve programmed on and off for years.Anyone else? Makes ya feel like a dumb-dumb.

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MrVandemar11 个月前

"Programming on and off" sounds like you haven't approached the field in a structured way. You can learn and accomplish a great deal that way, but it also means you have some gaps. Ever implemented a linked list? Compared sorting algorithm efficiency? Doing a course in computer science will probably give you a better grounding.Also, people have niches. I'm guessing you're knowledgeable in your particular niche, and so is everyone else in theirs. HN is a broad church and you can find biologists and people who write optimising compilers, and either are going to look at the other's field with some bafflement.Also, remember how it goes with learning things:* Beginner: I have so much to learn ...* Intermediate: I know everything!* Expert: I have so much to learn ...You might know more than you think you know.

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goles11 个月前

Had multiple submissions get exactly zero interest I was certain would be bangers.Had posts I submitted as a second, even third or fourth thought, from reading the night before that interested me, and was sure no one would care about get picked up to be on the front page.Don't overthink it. If you have something interesting to show or say then go for it as long as it's within the guidelines. Otherwise if it doesn't attract attention maybe it wasn't that interesting after all, or it was good but not great. There are only 30 spots on the front page and maybe your submission was 31/30 material at the end of the day. Best to not worry or fret about it, if you think it's interesting, try submitting it!Have some faith in the editorial staff and HN as an institution that has endured for over a decade maintaining interesting content and discussion. If it's truly good it will get selected for pool/invited or bubble up in the comments.Best of luck on your games and be kind!<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html">https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html</a><a href="https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented">https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented</a>

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Cheyana11 个月前

I just enjoy the submissions and the commentary of people that are way more knowledgeable than I’ll ever be. I’m not a professional anything but I’ve worked around professionals all my working life and I enjoy their company, and have no pretensions about my own intellectual ability.So just relax.

vector_spaces11 个月前

I felt that way for the first year or two when I was first learning to code on hereA lot of the stuff written here deploys in-jokes, memes, jargon/shibboleths of various tech subcultures:1. (Coastal) startups. Joining a YC startup and being surrounded by startup folks probably was the biggest factor in helping me to understand stuff here. At my first job, I picked up a broad mix of SV tribal knowledge, technical skills, stuff about finance & investing, Agile and scrum and kanban and standups, stats knowledge, + the cool-kid tech products used by this subculture ("what? you got paid with paychex? uhm. never heard of it. here we use gusto") -- it was essentially an immersion course in 70% of the stuff you see on the front page of this site2. Free-software types. When I taught myself to code, I just stuck with Linux since I couldn't afford a macbook back then. I participated in various open source projects and learned emacs, which made a lot more stuff on here understandable (like I started understanding acronyms like rms and esr, trivia about weird Linux/Unix shit I've had to debug like pulseaudio and systemd and CUPS, secret longstanding wars among various factions within this subculture)3. Academics. I went back to school and started doing research, and spent time learning about the weird CS-theory stuff that I find beautiful like abstract interpretation and programming language theory and functional programming. My research area is far away from that stuff, but having some awareness of it helps me recognize the topics when they pop up hereAlso, keep in mind that the content on this site also tends to reflect specific technologies and practices that are common within these cultures. There's a definite skew towards web and data oriented tech, so it makes sense that as a game dev, much of it wouldn't be comprehensible since you don't have context for it.It's also easy to forget if you mostly just get your tech news from this site, but most developers tend to work on Windows targeting Windows-oriented stacks (i.e. Azure, on-prem Windows servers, ASP.NET Core, Power BI, SQL Server, etc) rather than macbooks -- so I suspect much of what you see on the front page of this site that is tech related is foreign to most developers. In any case, I wouldn't feel too bad, and certainly not dumb for it

TillE11 个月前

I haven't done web development since the late 90s, so quite a lot of what people talk about (from frontend frameworks to Kubernetes) is total gibberish to me. That's fine, it's not something I'm interested in even as a hobby.

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Pomfers11 个月前

No one understands everything here. When it comes to software development, everyone I know says they're only really knowledgeable about what they work on. Most other areas, they'll have at best some passing knowledge of. It's like how doctors become specialists in just one part of the human body. There's maybe 5 people in the world are are a qualified dermatologist, endocrinologist, neurologist, and cardiologist at the same time. It's the same thing with engineers.

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ggm11 个月前

There is absolutely nothing wrong with lurking. Consider theatre: do they need an audience to act, or even react?I admire people who unlike myself are sufficiently self contained not to need to post.

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stoolpigeon11 个月前

I wouldn't say almost nothing. But the more domain specific things get the less I can track.My big takeaway has been when that happens, I remind myself I'm not fit to judge if a comment is good/right or not. I try to get a feel for the context of conversations and just kind of mentally file it away.I've learned a lot here over the years and the discussions sometimes remind of the good old days on slashdot.

projektfu11 个月前

There's a lot that a hobbyist might find interesting from a technical standpoint that has no real relevance to their life. For example, you could learn Kubernetes as a hobby, and mess around with container orchestration, but why? What do you hope to get out of it? You could try to do a deep dive into enterprise architecture. But again, for what purpose? Hobbyists might want to make something functional, or beautiful, or solve problems, or just know they can do it. But they usually don't want to go around solving big-corp problems for free.If you're wondering about content like Rust or Haskell programming, the jargon and implied knowledge can be a little intimidating. A lot of early Rust users were coming from advanced modern C++ and/or functional programming (FP) and use those concepts freely without assuming people might yet need to learn them. A lot of Haskell people have learned ways of thinking from other Haskell people or other FP people and they don't feel the need to explain what they're doing all the time. But it is intimidating. However, it can also be fun.I'm the worst kind of hobbyist. I almost never create anything anymore. When I do, I usually don't use the cool stuff, just some Python, shell, or Awk. But my hobby is learning about this stuff, what people are doing, and trying to figure out how people are thinking in different ways. So I have done a bit of functional programming and read a lot of code. I find it fascinating. But nothing I have made in that area is worth looking at.

jnaina11 个月前

Some (most?) of the folks who hang out here have been exposed to these type of contents for decades. For example, I started out reading Byte, Creative Computing, Dr Dobb's Journal, Compute!, old copies of the Whole Earth Catalog, etc among others, voraciously when I was a teen.With the demise of the dead tree medium, I and my fellow geek brethren found HN as an alternative, to find crowd sourced and curated articles of interest.Give it some time. It will all start making sense.

jasoneckert11 个月前

I would look at it this way: If you "did" understand everything that was posted on this site, you're visiting the wrong place for learning and growth.

skywhopper11 个月前

Only at most 10% of the content on here is for any particular audience. And about half of that the audience doesn’t understand but thinks they do.

dewey11 个月前

I feel like HN is one of the places where everyone can contribute, the topics are very diverse and sometimes random links that have nothing to do with technology are posted and have long discussions attached to them.Sometimes topics you will be very familiar will be posted and you’ll notice that just because people comment doesn’t mean they know what they are talking about.

sva_11 个月前

People on here can often get super-niche about a topic where there might only be a rather limited number of people on the whole planet who are in the clear on it, and I think that might be a big part of why you feel that way. It is also the reason why this place is pretty unique and (given some interests) amazing.

HanShotFirst11 个月前

I understand maybe just 1 to 3 of every 30 articles I see here, but they're usually the most educational and thought provoking content I've found all day. Seeing so much interesting subject matter that I don't know keeps me humble as well.

YZF11 个月前

If something feels like it's interesting then go explore it in more detail. Read a book, find some relevant YouTube videos, take a Coursera course, read more in Wikipedia. Access to knowledge on the Internet today is amazing.I have studied Math/Comp.Sci. I've been writing software professionally for a long time. There are specialized topics I'm not an expert in that might go over my head, if I'm interested enough I'll spend time and dig deeper.My theory is that you want to have a big picture and be able to go into details when/where you need to.

meiraleal11 个月前

When I arrived here yes. Now I understand most things, join conversations and even get upvoted sometimes.It'll happen to you too if you stay around and continue engaging in discussions. Don't be shy.

omani11 个月前

after many years it will flip and you will realize that many here aren't smart at all. (it is mostly bot driven here anyway).only 10% or so are real nerds or cracks in their field.

giantg211 个月前

I understand many of the things on the surface or conceptual level. But I can't transfer any of it into success. I think I'd rather be dumb and successful than "smart" (my managers' words) and shitty at my job.Also, even the things I do have some understanding of rarely come up in my software job. So it's not like you need to know everything. Seems like it's better to know less as long as you know just the right things.

blooalien11 个月前

If you want to "lurk" somewhere to learn about game development, download you a copy of the free (and open source) Godot game engine and lurk in one of their discussion / live chat channels on Discord or Telegram. Always folks there pointing out worthwhile tips, tricks, and beginner through expert level knowledge about the topic.

DougHolland11 个月前

Sure, I'm in much the same boat. I did my last programming in COBOL in the 1980s, and it wasn't even the main part of my job. I've made no effort to keep my knowledge current. I'm simply not a techie, if ever I was.But reading Hacker News is always interesting, so here I am.

xgkickt11 个月前

Games are quite simple really (read input, move, draw, beep, repeat). Too many get caught up on The Right Way to do things, but realistically all that matters is what the user sees and hears, how you get there is inconsequential. Making _something_ is an achievement in itself.

0xDEAFBEAD11 个月前

Most internet users read without commenting. Many HN posts relate to some fairly narrow technical area. The rare users who comment on any particular post will generally be the users who have some familiarity with that area.

interbased11 个月前

I don’t understand many posts but when I do see something that piques my interest, I’ll check it out and maybe look some stuff up to learn more. You’re definitely not alone.

m46311 个月前

I think sometimes just observing/listening will let you see patterns. And a lot of life is just matching the patterns and comparing/applying it to your experiences.

whatsakandr11 个月前

I do C++ and graphics programming. I know nothing about web dev, so whenever I see stuff about databases and REST APIs, I'm clueless.The key is to be growimg what you know in your area.

throwaway21111 个月前

You be you. Haters gonna hate. Problem's inside them.

AbstractH2411 个月前

Yes, but not gonna lie. Generative AI has made it much easier.I don't have formal programming, and it shows. Gen AI has made it easier to build that stuff.

dyauspitr11 个月前

That was my first 3 months on HN probably 8-10 years ago. I don’t know if I’ve gotten smarter or the discourse has gotten… “more accesible”.

Havoc11 个月前

It’s hit and miss. Links to academic papers I usually don’t even try to read.For borderline stuff reading the comments often helps highlight the significance

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RecycledEle11 个月前

1. Google is your friend.2. ChatGPT is your friend.3. Ask. There are no dumb questions, despite the legions of idiots who say otherwise on forums like this one

deanresin11 个月前

I feel the same a lot of the time. I get so excited when I have something to say.

genman11 个月前

What specifically? Topics here are very diverse.

hello_computer11 个月前

According to the internet, Al Einstein once wrote or said, “If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.” Whether he said it or not, it is true. To my dismay, I understand a lot of what is being posted here, and I can assure you that at least half of the part I understand is confusion and dead-ends from the outset. You may say, "Yeah, but so-and-so released such-and-such software and made millions!" So what? Having a hit doesn't make a man infallible. People in this scene who are legit don't spend much time here. They are either too busy getting shit done, or too busy enjoying early retirement.

fracternal11 个月前

Don’t be hard on yourself. Sometimes we all go through that internally. Life is a roller coaster you gotta ride the highs and the thrills that come from it and problem solve when the lows are around. If you think you don’t understand a concept then some self study is a great way to fill the gap. You could read a book, watch some YouTube videos or what I like to do is listen to a few good podcastsGame development even as a hobbyist is quite impressive. The question is do you enjoy it enough to make a career from it?Either way keep treking along, you’re not the only one feeling that way. Been there, done that, closed the gap and on to the next problem :)

snapdaddy11 个月前

As others have commented, most people have specialised knowledge. For example, I've been programming professionally for about 30 years; let me share my knowledge of game programming:Most people use Unity these days. I'm pretty sure it's in C#, and there was something about the licence recently that they probably backed down from. You can still write in c with OpenGL, but you will probably have to create your own game engine(?). You will need a game loop where you track the milliseconds elapsed each frame. Try not to stutter in your game loop. 16 ms. Oh, and double-buffering the output is probably a good idea.See? Don't sound so smart now, do I?

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Quinzel11 个月前

I’m just here to learn the jargon!

gjs478611 个月前

Fundamentally, that's why you love HN. It's why I do, and anyone else does too. Even if you don't understand something, you are drawn to try, and that itself is a hallmark of intelligence. We come here repeatedly because it stays interesting, because it is always something new.

bbwbsb11 个月前

Ignorance is the natural human state, and no one should feel ashamed of it. Everyone is ignorant of more things than they are not ignorant of.Often feeling dumb/not understanding is just a product of not having the prerequisites for something. Basically all ideas and fields are accessible to people of modest intelligence with sufficient effort (and ability to pick one thing and stick with it). The ones that are not fill with charlatans. It can be boring to pay attention to technical details. There is no moral superiority in doing so.When I've taught people who thought themselves to be dumb, I found that the negative self talk about being dumb was often rooted in either a feeling of guilt/badness or obligation, and the label of dumb solved the unhealthy feeling: "I'm just dumb, nothing I can do". This is even more pronounced in cases where there is some resource the person needs that they don't have, where trying harder causes worse performance, or where they feel obligated to because they think like their preferred activity is less valuable/lower status.Realistically, it is necessary to pick how to spend your time, and math and programming without compensation are frankly a waste of time (if you are not enjoying it, finding fulfillment). As Satre said, we are condemned to be free - to chose what we specialize in, and what we skip, with no one to give us the correct choice.If there are N things you could do, every time you do something, there are N-1 things you are not doing in that moment, which are way more than you will ever do.I relate to the feeling. For me 'ex falso quod libet' - the idea mixing up truth and falsity once with collapse the foundation of everything I know is worse than any scary movie. The fear I'll forget faster than I learn, or that I'll never really understand. The yearning to understand the world, to know and not doubt.If you are able to see some highly technical post you don't understand and then sleep soundly, you far wiser than I.

koolala11 个月前

tawr

sgammon11 个月前

No sorry /s

ancientlurker11 个月前

Look at what passes for peer reviewed scientific papers these days.Those are dumb dumbs pretending to be smart. That is much worse on many levels.Funny that many of the scientific concepts I encountered over the years that seemed to not make sense turned out to be actual nonsense and pseudoscience.It's like they had a smell but I didn't know what was causing the smell until much later.Virology is a good example of this. Total nonsense. They don't even have one sample of even one virus -- anywhere. In the world. It's a boogeyman.