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Controversial pesticide research all but vanished from a major conference

199 点作者 stareatgoats11 个月前

8 条评论

yuliyp11 个月前
I gave up reading the article about halfway when they hadn't mentioned at all how the program committee of the conference is assembled. That corporations sponsor academic conferences is natural: there are a lot of reasons it's useful: recruiting, networking, cooperating with other researchers, etc. And they're the part of those scientific communities that has the spare money to be able to provide sponsorships. That the article spent so long trying to convince me that this was sinister is bizarre.
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doubloon11 个月前
you know whats funny is how we have become so efficient at producing food the government literally has to stop companies from producing it more efficiently or it would crash prices and cause economic disruptions.<p>and restaurants throw out millions of tons of edible food every night but if you try to eat it you get arrested for stealing. your true crime was upsetting supply&#x2F;demand. if people realized they could get free food at like 9pm every night then demand would plummet, so would prices, the restaurants would all go out of business. artificial scarcity is the business model of a huge section of the economy.<p>but then there is also all this attempt by companies to make new chemicals to grow food more efficiently. and the government wont stop that. its ok if you are more efficient just not TOO much more efficient. if you made a chemical that could drop the price of corn by 99% ... the government would probably have to stop that in order to support prices.<p>its like we have this weird machine where we have 5 different brake pedals and 5 different accelerators and different people are constantly trying to push all 10 of them.<p>the bees get caught in the middle.
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tmaly11 个月前
My local garden place use to tell me roundup was safe to drink.<p>A few years later the that big cancer lawsuit hit the news.
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wazoox11 个月前
There is no controversy at all among entomologists and biologists : pesticides are responsible for the huge destruction of insects, birds and biodiversity in general; they&#x27;re probably very dangerous even to us. But money.
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MostlyStable11 个月前
So....this seemingly just reflects a shift in research priorities, and there is no evidence provided to the contrary, and no reason to remark at all, except that<p>&gt;Several entomologists who organized panels in bee science for the conference said that they were surprised to hear that research about the effects of neonicotinoids on bees had all but vanished from the program.<p>but then also:<p>&gt; they also said that the field has shifted to an approach that accounts for multiple stressors on individual bees and hives, rather than studies of individual factors, and that the research presented at the conference reflects that way of thinking.<p>This seems like a real nothing-burger of an article. Research interests ebb and flow. Science is as subject to fads as almost anything else, and conferences more than most things tend to reflect these fads.
esel2k11 个月前
As someone who has worked for one of these multinational, I could have never imagined the stigma I would have when I said where I worked. On a wedding for example the discussion literally went silent when I said I worked for such a company. What nobody knew is that worked in GIS maps to warn farmers not to apply these pesticides near waterways. So I became more careful about clickbait titles and the hate against these companies and what is really having an effect in these ecology.<p>Of course we spent millions on marketing and selling more was the target of our sales teams. The problem is more that the whole field faces immense pressure, stigma and lack if alternatives - making it unsexy for funding or to even talk about it. I would welcome more innovation in that space and a constructive discussion instead of feeding the stigma.. ps: I don’t work there anymore…
allemagne11 个月前
The clear implication of this headline is that pesticide research was deliberately covered up. A few paragraphs in the writer makes it obvious that faceless corporations are to blame. Here&#x27;s the lede:<p>&gt;Only four papers and posters that examined [the effects of neonicotinoids on bees] made it into the conference, out of nearly 100 papers, posters and symposia on bee science.<p>(Now it makes sense why the headline says <i>all but</i> vanished)<p>Specifically, this is referring to a conference of the Entomologist Society of America. &quot;Entomology&quot; being the study of all insects. Bees, ants, katydids, flies, etc. How much out of a sample of 100 papers&#x2F;posts&#x2F;symposia should insect scientists be presenting new research on neonicotinoids and bees? Should it be more or less than 4%? Should it be 30%? 50%? I don&#x27;t know, how on earth would I know that?<p>Actual entomologists quoted: &quot;I’ve never had a problem getting a neonic paper in a symposium&quot;, &quot;For any given subject within entomology, what is covered in ESA conference programs reflects the ebb and flow of interest in it among the community and the focus of research being conducted in the field.&quot;<p>However, this writer <i>knows</i> it&#x27;s a lot more than 4%. How does she know this? Well here&#x27;s an extensive study of a (probably nefarious) corporate partnership program by the ESA that accounts for... 3 to 3.5 percent of the society’s total annual revenue, and here&#x27;s some people who argue that corporations are too involved with science. You do the math!<p>The writer also repeats some variation of &quot;pipeline to industry&quot; six times in an attempt to horrify the reader. Why you should be surprised or angry that entomologists are by and large working regular jobs for private businesses after graduating, is also left as an exercise for the reader.<p>Including this particular anecdote is also pretty telling:<p>&gt;Emily May, a pollinator conservation biologist who studies pesticides for the Xerces Society, a Portland, Ore.-based nonprofit group, recounted facing intimidation by agrochemical industry attendees after her talk.<p>&gt;She spoke at the meeting about how government regulators focus on the effects of individual pesticides on pollinators without factoring in the cumulative effects of a range of chemicals.<p>&gt;After she spoke, she said, five people from the audience stepped up and fired off highly technical questions, such as whether she had completed indexes of cumulative effects.<p>&gt;“Questions came in with ‘Have you done indexes about toxicity?’ . . . They were just getting very technical in their specific pushback on approaches to looking at cumulative toxicity,” May said.<p>&gt;“It was like my worst-case scenario, really. It made me nervous about the next conference I presented at, to be honest. It’s hard. People wanted to make me look bad.”<p>&gt;The source of that onslaught of technical questions: Employees of agrochemical companies, May said.<p>Am I crazy to think that a conference is not where you get your ideas uncritically accepted, but challenged on a &quot;specific&quot; and &quot;technical&quot; level? Am I crazy for thinking that agrochemical industry stooges should probably be torn to shreds when up against a biologist who has done the research?<p>We don&#x27;t need to close our eyes and pretend like there&#x27;s nothing to fear from corporations. There was an entomologist quoted saying &quot;I’m not going to deny that there is an uninterest, or a bias, to not talk about pesticides and bees&quot;, which isn&#x27;t nothing, but this was clearly drawn out as a response to some kind of pointed question from the writer about the ESA and neonicotonoids.<p>I get that it gets clicks and eyeballs to play into certain narratives. Are we even slightly worried that if you rely on lazy and dishonest innuendo too much, everyone will become just as lazy and won&#x27;t believe you when you finally break an important story that goes against their priors?
3lit3krew11 个月前
Obviously nobody can trust The Science any more, too much big money involved. The best you can do is try to keep up with bro-science, which is often decades ahead of The Science, and avoid any new chemicals, food additives, drugs or therapies for several decades until we learn if they&#x27;re really, actually safe or not by observing what happens to the guinea pigs called the general public. At this point we&#x27;ve all seen enough evidence to have destroyed either some, or all trust in The Science, anybody left using Science Juice or Science Gas or Science Pills either doesn&#x27;t care, or wouldn&#x27;t even if they knew.
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