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A new RISC-V Mainboard from DeepComputing

553 点作者 frankjr11 个月前

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craftkiller11 个月前
Yes! This is absolutely the right move for SBC makers. It has always bothered me that SBCs are sold as entire laptops, which were often subpar because its hard to justify an expensive screen&#x2F;keyboard&#x2F;shell for a single cheap underpowered SBC. Then, when you move onto the next SBC, you end up with an entire laptop of e-waste instead of just a single motherboard. Framework has already done an excellent job creating the physical&#x2F;human interface, so lets just replace the brains inside of it so I can keep using the same excellent matte screen, keyboard, and touchpad and have essentially the same user experience (but with different performance).<p>Hopefully this board can also operate in stand-alone mode outside of the framework shell just like the official framework motherboards because then we&#x27;d get the best of both worlds while also being able to benefit from the coolermaster case. Regardless, I&#x27;m going to order one when it becomes available.<p>Also stoked to see the open source CAD files for the shell.
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bogwog11 个月前
This is interesting, but it&#x27;ll have a JH7110 and microsd for storage, so it&#x27;s basically just a RISC-V SBC but in a Framework mainboard form-factor. SBCs with that specific processor seem to be pretty cheap, like the Milk-V Mars which is selling for around $40 currently.<p>The idea of a RISC-V laptop sounds cool, but this feels like just grabbing a raspberry pi and sticking it in a laptop chasis. It doesn&#x27;t seem like this is going to really offer anything new in this space other than maybe some increased visibility for RISC-V (esp. if Linus Tech Tips covers it), and a neat project&#x2F;option for people with existing Framework parts.<p>As far as development purposes, I don&#x27;t see what this offers over an existing SBC or even just a VM. From what I&#x27;ve seen of people running Linux on these things, it is definitely not something you&#x27;d want to develop on... plus, it seems like DeepCompute sells their own RISC-V laptops which are (probably) more powerful than this thing: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.deepcomputing.io&#x2F;products&#x2F;dc-roma-riscv-laptop-ii-with-octa-core-cpu" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.deepcomputing.io&#x2F;products&#x2F;dc-roma-riscv-laptop...</a>
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cge11 个月前
While Framework&#x27;s blog post and their marketplace don&#x27;t have a photo of the mainboard, Deep Computing&#x27;s press release [1] does. Given the &quot;DC-ROMA&quot; name for the mainboard from DC, and their DC-ROMA laptop (not DC-ROMA II) which seems to have similar specs, I would guess that this is essentially the mainboard of that laptop, in Framework form. For context on price, DC is selling the full laptop for $300.<p>While it&#x27;s a niche product, it is great to see other companies actually developing components for the Framework platform, and more, more diverse options for components starting to appear. Yes, as people point out, this product doesn&#x27;t make much sense for many people, but it doesn&#x27;t have to: part of the advantage of this platform is that components don&#x27;t need to appeal to a wide customer base. We are also starting to see this now with the two screen options, the speakers (choice between louder or more accurate), etc.<p>If, as it seems, this is going to be quite low cost, I might buy one just to play around with it. It would be easy to swap with my normal mainboard, and when not in laptop form, could go in a printed enclosure.<p>Looking at the photo, it of course has no M.2 for storage, as mentioned in the blog post (nrp explains that choice on Framework&#x27;s forum [3]), but does look like it has one for the wifi card; the microSD slot is also visible. It also seems to have quite a large fan and cooling arrangement for a JH7110, compared to other boards with it?<p>Battery on the DC-ROMA appears to have been 48 Wh [2], so not enormously smaller than Framework&#x27;s 61 Wh and 55 Wh options, and battery life may be comparable plus 15% - 25%.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deepcomputing.io&#x2F;a-risc-v-world-first-independently-developed-risc-v-mainboard-for-a-framework-laptop-from-deepcomputing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deepcomputing.io&#x2F;a-risc-v-world-first-independently-...</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;linustechtips.com&#x2F;topic&#x2F;1496701-world%E2%80%99s-first-risc-v-laptop-roma-deepcomputing-chromeos&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;linustechtips.com&#x2F;topic&#x2F;1496701-world%E2%80%99s-firs...</a><p>[3]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.frame.work&#x2F;t&#x2F;introducing-a-new-risc-v-mainboard-from-deepcomputing&#x2F;53144&#x2F;29?u=cge" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.frame.work&#x2F;t&#x2F;introducing-a-new-risc-v-main...</a>
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Arcuru11 个月前
The &quot;first ever partner-developed Mainboard&quot; is a huge win for Framework! Congrats!
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jarbus11 个月前
&gt; We’re excited to share a preview of a Framework Laptop 13 Mainboard with a new CPU architecture today, and it’s probably not the one you think it is.<p>Hahaha. Really curious if they’ll announce a snapdragon x elite board. I love the idea of RISC-V long term, but would love an X Elite board for the near future.
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gregwtmtno11 个月前
I have a Framework 13, and I&#x27;m excited about this. I&#x27;ve been looking forward to moving to RISC-V for years now. I&#x27;m one of those weirdos who is willing to pay more for less performance. I guess they know their customers.
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COGlory11 个月前
What is awesome is that I can pick up one of these and put it in my existing Framework 13.
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topspin11 个月前
That&#x27;s pretty cool. Kudos DeepComputing, Framework, et al.<p>Tenstorrent is supposed to be delivering a &quot;high-end&quot; RISC-V CPU soon&#x2F;this year... Don&#x27;t know what it will look like, but one can dream: It&#x27;s Jim Keller, after all. If RISC-V is going to blow up general purpose computing he&#x27;ll probably be making the explosives.<p>And then one can imagine a Framework mainboard running it.<p>The DeepComputing launch page[1] reads: WORLD&#x27;S FIRST RISC‑V LAPTOP <i>GATS</i> A MASSIVE UPGRADE AND EQUIPS WITH UBUNTU<p>Am I suffering a lingo mishap or is that a rather obvious typo?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deepcomputing.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deepcomputing.io&#x2F;</a>
minetest204811 个月前
This makes me wonder, if I want to design my own Framework mainboard, where can I get the specs? What&#x27;s the minimum viable connectors and peripherals?
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VyseofArcadia11 个月前
&gt; it is focused primarily on enabling developers, tinkerers, and hobbyists to start testing and creating on RISC-V. The peripheral set and performance aren’t yet competitive with our Intel and AMD-powered Framework Laptop Mainboards. This board also has soldered memory and uses MicroSD cards and eMMC for storage<p>Not for me, but I will absolutely switch over to the first board that is consumer-focused, assuming it is competitive on performance and battery life.
loughnane11 个月前
Practically speaking, what am I going to be able to do w&#x2F; a risc v board? I imagine a ton of software will have problems with it, at least for now.
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johndoe081511 个月前
This seems to be a better alternative: a complete 8-core RISC-V laptop with an M1 core by SpacemiT – similar performance to a Cortex A55 – starting at about $300 (8 GB RAM&#x2F;64 GB eMMC, versions with 16 GB RAM and PCIe SSD are also available):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arace.tech&#x2F;products&#x2F;muse-book-risc-v-laptop" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arace.tech&#x2F;products&#x2F;muse-book-risc-v-laptop</a>
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camel-cdr11 个月前
Honestly, I&#x27;m not sure another JH7110 device is a good thing for RISC-V publicity. Couldn&#x27;t they have waited another year? Since it&#x27;s framework, there will be a decent bunch of people buying this, that will be very disappointed.<p>&gt; This Mainboard is extremely compelling, but we want to be clear that in this generation, it is focused primarily on enabling developers, tinkerers, and hobbyists to start testing and creating on RISC-V. The peripheral set and performance aren’t yet competitive with our Intel and AMD-powered Framework Laptop Mainboards<p>Good that they acknowledge it, but that is putting the performance difference very very lightly.<p>&gt; DeepComputing is demoing an early prototype of this Mainboard in a Framework Laptop 13 at the RISC-V Summit Europe next week, and we’ll be sharing more as this program progresses.<p>I&#x27;ll definitely check it out.
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shirro11 个月前
The important thing is the Framework laptop is getting a third party board even if it is under-powered and unusable for most people. Raspberry Pi could take some of their IPO money and do an ARM board or Qualcomm and not have to worry about the keyboard, case, display and the logistics of moving laptops. Seems like a great way to get your platform in front of developers in a very usable and sustainable package.
luyu_wu11 个月前
I know there&#x27;s quite a big community that buys almost purely old ThinkPads for their Coreboot support and lack of Intel ME&#x2F;MSFT Pluton. Considering the processors in those chips are almost 20 years old now, this RISC-V chip may actually offer comparable performance! Would be interesting to see if that groups gravitates towards this product.
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JonChesterfield11 个月前
A brief and non-reliable search puts the CPU at around 5W.<p>Unless I&#x27;m missing something, it&#x27;s a 61Wh battery in the chassis, as they all use the same battery.<p>Therefore... battery specified as reasonable with an intel or amd cpu, but now using a minimal wattage processor, very long battery life?<p>My use case is basically showing emacs in a terminal with all the compute running on some other server and it seems plausible this would be rather good at that.<p>(also Lenovo are presently insisting I install windows on a laptop in order to replace a broken keyboard under warranty which makes me especially receptive to framework&#x27;s messaging)<p>edit: there&#x27;s a vesa mount case for these things at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;frame.work&#x2F;gb&#x2F;en&#x2F;products&#x2F;cooler-master-mainboard-case" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;frame.work&#x2F;gb&#x2F;en&#x2F;products&#x2F;cooler-master-mainboard-ca...</a>
transpute11 个月前
Could a future variant of this motherboard include Xilinx or Lattice FPGAs? That would enable new board functions based on LiteX OSS FPGA toolchain.<p>Similar to the AMD&#x2F;Xilinx Zynq family of boards ($150 to $3K), <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xilinx.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;boards-and-kits&#x2F;device-family&#x2F;nav-zynq-7000.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xilinx.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;boards-and-kits&#x2F;device-famil...</a><p>Or Bunnie Huang&#x27;s Precursor dev kit for RISC-V with handheld kb&#x2F;display ($600), <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crowdsupply.com&#x2F;sutajio-kosagi&#x2F;precursor" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crowdsupply.com&#x2F;sutajio-kosagi&#x2F;precursor</a><p><i>&gt; Precursor draws less power than most other FPGAs thanks to the &quot;-1L&quot; variant Xilinx Spartan 7-Series at its heart. (The &quot;L&quot; stands for &quot;low leakage.&quot;) That efficiency — combined with a super-low-power Lattice iCE40 UP5K FPGA for deep-sleep system management and a Silicon Labs WF200 with integrated network co-processor for Wi-Fi connectivity — allows Precursor to achieve a standby time measured in days and an active screen time of about five to six hours.</i>
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SushiHippie11 个月前
This sounds really great, I hope that some day we will get an alternative to x86 that is not ARM.<p>The new ARM processors like Snapdragon X elite and the M processors from apple sound promising, but I don&#x27;t know what I should think about the company &quot;ARM&quot;.<p>Though what I find a bit weird is that this board only has 4 cores, as this is intended for developers which probably need to compile many things which could benefit from more cores.
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retrocryptid11 个月前
Did they mention how much this board will cost when it&#x27;s released? The BeagleBone guys have a board based on the Micro-Semi &#x2F; Micro-Chip PolarFire FPGA+U54x4 hard core for about $150, so I wouldn&#x27;t think this one was too much more expensive than that.<p>SiFive&#x27;s U74 cores aren&#x27;t as inefficient as their earlier cores, but ops per megahertz still isn&#x27;t on par with high end Intel or ARM cpus.<p>But if you&#x27;re going for RISC-V, you&#x27;re likely interested in it for something other than peak performance.<p>When I did my time in the RISC-V ecosystem, I thought we would never see catalog parts, so its good to see yet another RV64GC board using a catalog part.
ein0p11 个月前
I have a VisionFive2 board with the same SoC, and this is going to really disappoint if you expect laptop grade performance from it. Don&#x27;t get me wrong, it&#x27;s impressive for what it is (the fist such SoC that can comfortably and inexpensively run Linux), but in a laptop it will feel glacial, and there are quite a few bugs still in its Linux support. I guess they could clock it a bit higher, but there&#x27;s only so much you can do to hide performance shortcomings here.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF11 个月前
Wonder if the price will be hundreds or thousands?
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Netcob11 个月前
&gt; We’re excited to share a preview of a Framework Laptop 13 Mainboard with a new CPU architecture today, and it’s probably not the one you think it is.<p>RISC-V support in a laptop is cool and the future and all, but I still feel the need to say that I&#x27;m getting a Snapdragon X based Framework 13 (maybe 16) the minute it&#x27;s available.
agentultra11 个月前
Is the boot loader going to be in ROM or will we be able to write our own code for this board? Might be pretty neat if we can.
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autoexecbat11 个月前
I find it really surprising that SiFive doesn&#x27;t come out with their own edition of this but with the latest cores, rather than a 3rd party with an old u74
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ramenbytes11 个月前
Will schematics be available to repair shops for this mainboard too? I wonder if it being developed by a partner changes anything.
marius_k11 个月前
I did not expect RISC-V to be ahead of ARM for framework. Is this is because of freedoms RISC-V brings for manufacturers?
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tsuru11 个月前
I&#x27;m not finding this in the tech specs so far... Does it support RVV? If so is its version post-1.0 or pre-1.0?
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bobim11 个月前
Any way to cram the 64 cores sku from the DeepComputing developer box into a laptop?
prettyStandard11 个月前
someday, frame.work is going to break my heart.
darthrupert11 个月前
StarFive JH7110. Isn&#x27;t this just Chinese hardware essentially? Why should anyone outside of anti-western countries be excited about this?