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Ask HN: What does RISC-V custom chips for under $100K mean?

113 点作者 zkirill11 个月前
In 2016, SiFive blogged about custom chips for under $100K[1]. What does this mean in practice for a business? What does a business get if they give SiFive $100K? Does the business have to give SiFive anything in addition to $100K such as a schematic? What are the steps between giving SiFive $100K and getting physical chips in your hands?<p>&gt; At the workshop, people asked me what it would cost to make a chip with SiFive. The room went quiet … people expected me to dance around the topic (like all other people do). Jaws dropped when I simply said “system architects and designers can get customized chips for less than $100,000” – less than the cost of just licensing most CPUs today.<p>[1] https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sifive.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;custom-chips-for-under-100k

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brucehoult11 个月前
In 2016 that would be a E31 core, user-specified amount of data SRAM and icache (also SRAM), XIP from external SPI flash, user-specified number of GPIOs. Possibly integrating some simple customer peripheral IP as a memory-mapped device, or MAYBE with a simple custom instruction as a functional unit, SiFive doing a little NRE on that, and doing a $30k 180nm shuttle run giving ~300 chips.<p>If you could give SiFive your desired peripheral or custom instruction already integrated with Rocket and working on an FPGA (Arty) then you&#x27;d get it for under $100k for sure -- if you made SiFive do the work it would rapidly get to be more.<p>Disclaimer: I was an early customer for the HiFive1 (December 2016) and then worked at SiFive from early 2018 to early 2020, but I don&#x27;t speak for them.
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sircastor11 个月前
It&#x27;s worth noting that if you&#x27;re interested in making your own custom silicon, you can get it done quite inexpensively. It&#x27;s not a fast process, but if you want to try your hand at building something that is all you, you can!<p>This isn&#x27;t want SiFive was doing - they&#x27;re providing engineering expertise. Here you&#x27;re allowed to put together all your own logic gates into... a thing.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tinytapeout.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tinytapeout.com&#x2F;</a>
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jpm_sd11 个月前
I took a look at your blog[0]. You aren&#x27;t going to need a custom CPU. You&#x27;ll be much better off with something that&#x27;s already in production, in the market, well-documented and well-tested. Also it sounds like you have a pretty steep learning curve ahead of you.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;flyingcarcomputer.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;a-new-personal-computer&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;flyingcarcomputer.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;a-new-personal-computer&#x2F;</a>
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JonChesterfield11 个月前
Optimistically tagging on here as it&#x27;s a similar sort of question.<p>Say one lone developer gets a bit carried away with verilog and ends up with a description for a chip. I know there&#x27;s an odd lot style of thing where you can get your chip drawn on a wafer along with a load of other chips from other people. There&#x27;s probably a way of getting someone who knows what they&#x27;re doing to attach wires to it, wrap it in plastic or whatever else is involved in &quot;packaging&quot;.<p>Where does one get started with that, and what&#x27;s the ballpark cost? I&#x27;m assuming a fair amount of the OP&#x27;s $100k is SiFive labour, but I don&#x27;t know how to guess whether a half dozen custom chips in some sort of packaging is of the order of 10s of dollars or 10s of thousands.<p>(edit: I&#x27;ve done a lot of software near hardware and have a vague idea that uploading the data to tsmc was called &quot;tape out&quot; and involved quite a lot of money, but I also vaguely remember talking to someone at a conference who had chips made as a hobby so there are some pieces missing from my mental model)
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