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The Dream of an Alpine Waterway

90 点作者 teew11 个月前

8 条评论

dredmorbius11 个月前
I&#x27;m not an expert in this area, though the efficiencies of canal systems have interested me greatly in recent years. What&#x27;s interesting to me is that even today, few canal systems seem to have elevation gains of more than a few metres.<p>Among the greatest lifts I&#x27;m aware of are the Erie Canal (no longer commercially operated, though accessible by pleasure craft), which rises 174m (571 ft) above sea level. Canada&#x27;s Trent-Severn Waterway origionates on Lake Ontario at 74m (243 ft) elevation. The Panama Canal rises only 26m (85 ft) to Lake Gatun. And the Suez Canal operates without locks.<p>Which makes the 1,200 m gain of Caminada&#x27;s proposal all the more audacious. And ... perhaps ... impractical.
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K0balt11 个月前
There’s no violation of physics here, simply the energy transfer of potential energy from water moving downhill.<p>Given a sufficient source of water above the highest tunnel, this seems like a remarkably efficient system, if almost certainly not economically viable to construct or maintain.<p>If we simplify a bit and assume that all tunnels are of the same size, with the volume of water needed to fill one tunnel plus the net displacement of the freight going up versus down, every barge in every tunnel is moved one tunnel forward on each slope, going up or down one side of the system. It’s interesting because there is automatic energy recovery “regenerative braking” because the displacement of the descending freight reduces the water consumption in proportion to the amount used to raise an equal amount of ascending freight. Pretty cool.<p>It would probably be more cost effective to use that same water source to build a hydroelectric powered electric locomotive, but -theoretically- the canal system should be able to move more freight.<p>In practice, i would bet on the railway, especially if descending trains fed energy back into the system to help power ascending ones. As for economics of construction and maintenance, the train would probably be orders of magnitude more cost effective.<p>Nonetheless, an elegant idea with an idyllic implementation. Kind of has a “clever” code smell though lol.
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Animats11 个月前
That thing is scary. If a boat on an uphill tunnel doesn&#x27;t keep moving forward to keep up with the rising water, the boat is forced against the top of the tunnel and everybody drowns.
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drewcoo11 个月前
&gt; Newton’s apple fell from the tree for the same reason as water flows downwards<p>For the sake of the narrative?
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johnea11 个月前
The article describes it as some kind of magical thginnking, but it is possible to cross Europe by boat.<p>There are a couple of canal systems:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rhine-Main-Danube_Canal" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rhine-Main-Danube_Canal</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Canal_du_Midi" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Canal_du_Midi</a>
ano-ther11 个月前
Is there a demonstration of the locks somewhere? From the patent it sounds like a tunnel that gets flooded which lifts the ship. The tunnel must be really large because it has to fit the ship at an angle and not just head on.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US955317A&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US955317A&#x2F;en</a>
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AtlasBarfed11 个月前
Johnny canal approves
ur-whale11 个月前
This was back in the days when folks in Europe were still capable of doing really ambitious technical things.<p>That particular project may have turned not to be economically viable, but it was at the very least thought of and studied seriously.<p>That kind of burning flame has now died miserably, and all Europe is now capable of doing is keeping the lights on.
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