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Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

207 点作者 ushakov10 个月前

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dang10 个月前
All: if you&#x27;re going to post on a topic like this please make sure you&#x27;re not just commenting out of reflexive activation. That&#x27;s not what HN is for, as the site guidelines try to make clear: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html</a>.<p>On HN, we want comments that are <i>thoughtful</i>—i.e. that come from reflection, not reflex [1]; and <i>specific</i>—i.e. that have to do with what&#x27;s different about a story, not what&#x27;s generic. This is not particular to any topic; it&#x27;s an optimization problem: we&#x27;re trying to optimize the site for intellectual curiosity [2].<p>The trouble with reflexive comments is that they repeat responses that have already happened many times—rather as if they&#x27;re being served from cache [3]. The trouble with generic comments is that the generic level is too abstract to say anything new or interesting. Put those together and you get repetition, the arch-enemy of curiosity [4].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=comment&amp;query=reflective%20reflex%20by:dang" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;sor...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=comment&amp;query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=true&amp;sor...</a><p>[3] This, btw, is why such comments always show up quickly: cached responses are the fastest to arise. The kind of thoughtful comments we&#x27;re looking for take longer to &quot;compute&quot;.<p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=comment&amp;query=curiosity%20repetition%20by:dang" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;so...</a>
TrueGeek10 个月前
Better article with more information:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bizjournals.com&#x2F;nashville&#x2F;news&#x2F;2024&#x2F;07&#x2F;08&#x2F;girls-in-tech-shut-down-adriana-gascoigne.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bizjournals.com&#x2F;nashville&#x2F;news&#x2F;2024&#x2F;07&#x2F;08&#x2F;girls-...</a><p>&gt; In an email Monday, founder and CEO Adriana Gascoigne said “Girls in Tech will be closing its doors due to a lack of funding in 2023 and 2024.”
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elric10 个月前
This is such a difficult topic. When I started my undergraduate in CompSci, the department of 300 students had exactly 3 women. The faculty had way more female instructors than it did students. The Commucation Sciences department, which was on the same campus, had the inverse student population.<p>I&#x27;m all in favour for letting students making their own study (and career) choices, but when the imbalance is this great, I can&#x27;t but help think that valuable perspectives are lost. And that&#x27;s just looking at the sexes, that doesn&#x27;t even take into account what could be gained from interacting with folks with different socio-economic backgrounds, who were equally underrepresented.<p>Trying to keep barriers for entry low seems worth while. Organizations which help people break into non-traditional fields (for their background&#x2F;sex&#x2F;whatever) also seem to be worth while. Funding them seems like a no brainer. This isn&#x27;t limited to girls in tech. Also boys in nursing, poor kids in law school, brown kids in politics, whatever.
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dpoljak10 个月前
The reasons for closing haven&#x27;t really been elaborated on, just commented on as sad and devastating; I haven&#x27;t managed to glean anything more from the rest of the article.<p>However, it&#x27;s incredible to me to keep an organization like this going for 17 years. The landscape is constantly shifting and looking back at the world and technology from 2007, and even 2014, they&#x27;ve survived a lot. Going down now just shows how bad the market is in reality.
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Molitor590110 个月前
Just skimming the 2022 990, executive compensation was $285,170. Total expenses $1,904,475 on $2,005,994 in revenue.
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shrubble10 个月前
Non-profits closing means there is a financial reason; were there grants monies that ran out? Did another &quot;women in STEM&quot; non-profit get corporate sponsorship instead? The article doesn&#x27;t say.
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callalex10 个月前
From my Bay Area perspective, Girls who Code is still going strong and doing great work. Any reports that all diversity initiatives have died are greatly exaggerated.
mikhael2810 个月前
There is an expression which I think is fitting, in a weird way - a successful marriage does not have to last forever. For some reason, we always tend to imagine that, once a company or organization is created, it must last forever. That for it to ‘close its doors’ or ‘wind down’ is somehow a failure. And that’s just not true; a professional athletes career does not last forever, and neither does the lifespan of most corporations or non-profits.<p>The organization accomplished what it set out to do; make the tech industry more inclusive and accessible to women. To a large extent, though it wasn’t a primary factor, it aided that journey nicely with its thousands of events that it organized over the years, according to this announcement.<p>It didn’t last forever, but it was never meant to - that would mean the presence of women in tech would never become truly equal to the presence of men. While its goal wasn’t ‘achieved’, this organization did what it could to move things in that direction and now, with its energy spent, it leaves the door open for new contributors to take the next step.<p>The arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice. Thank you to everyone who helped organize the events this organization hosted in the last seventeen years.
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grobbyy10 个月前
At the risk of posting a reflexive comment, what should we be doing here? It seems like everything has unintended consequences (not on a cost-benefit basis):<p>- Minority affinity groups pull people from majority groups and decrease integration.<p>- Anti-discrimination&#x2F;sexism&#x2F;etc. movements often add social barriers to interactions (e.g. things I do within my identity group would be misperceived if done across)<p>- Affirmative action makes minorities feel like they don&#x27;t deserve to be there (and often leads to resentment and other consequences)<p>Progress in the past few decades has been limited, so it seems like we&#x27;re taking the wrong approach, but I&#x27;m don&#x27;t have a better approach to propose.<p>Green fields, blue sky, what should we be doing to resolve the historical issues we have around sex, race, socioeconomic status, etc.?<p>I think looking to countries which made better progress might be helpful....
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matrix8710 个月前
Just fyi, Supreme Court has an upcoming case on affirmative action<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;07&#x2F;02&#x2F;us&#x2F;affirmative-action-lawsuit.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;07&#x2F;02&#x2F;us&#x2F;affirmative-action-law...</a>
j4510 个月前
I wish sustainability planning that was more a part of community initiative.<p>While it&#x27;s absolutely the right of the organizers putting in their time to decide their participation - where regret is expressed about something ending - it would be interesting to know any coulda&#x2F;shoulda&#x2F;wouldas for others to learn from.<p>Baking it into the bread, early, of &quot;why we do it this way&quot; and learning it together, helps create a culture of ensuring things can be entrusted a little easier to the next group &quot;who gets it&quot; and then can grow it.<p>The job of equality isn&#x27;t done yet. Where equally capable and competent people both in potential and actualized to the table that normally aren&#x27;t there is critical.<p>It would be nice if something could take it&#x27;s place, or continue it&#x27;s work, and not start from scratch, or maybe someone can step forward to continue some of the work under the brand.<p>Quite often new things end up re-learning the lessons of the past to get to a point of effectiveness again.<p>Clay Shirky has a great essay about a group being it&#x27;s own worst enemy, and I wonder if some of those themes in that essay were present at one point or in hindsight.
givemeethekeys10 个月前
Maybe this was the reason: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;grace-hopper-celebration-career-fair-men&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;grace-hopper-celebration-career-...</a>
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glitchc10 个月前
Running out of money is a common cause of business failure, non-profit or otherwise. Seems like their donations dried up with the economic slowdown.<p>I&#x27;m sure they&#x27;ll be back up and running once things pick up. Orgs such as these are easy to restart.
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newsclues10 个月前
Good, less gender division!<p>Hopefully in the future programs to encourage the future generation of tech workers won’t be prejudicial and will help anyone with interest and talent regardless of their gender.
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dang10 个月前
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aristofun10 个月前
I don’t see any problem with that.<p>Doors into tech are (and has always been) open to women.<p>If there is no real problem to solve — how did anyone expect an organization to last long?
theyknowitsxmas10 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=yzmQVejR6a8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=yzmQVejR6a8</a>
cat_plus_plus10 个月前
Judging by current distribution of interns, coding is becoming a female dominated field. I think this has more to do with pragmatic mindset of asian parents and less with any DEI efforts. How many other fields:<p>- Are not dangerous or unreasonably physically strenuous<p>- Pay good money<p>- Keep you surrounded by respectable, educated people<p>- Can be mastered in 4-6 years rather than running risk of getting old while still in college<p>Not saying it&#x27;s a negative, those are rational factors. We do need to make sure that young men are also able to become successful and equals of female SWEs.
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diebeforei48510 个月前
Why are they in Nashville?
Neonlicht10 个月前
The idea of spending all day with tech bros was enough to make me suicidal so I went into the healthcare industry.<p>I am from a culture were people don&#x27;t just work for money or status.
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bdjsiqoocwk10 个月前
&gt; Without explanation, Gascoigne said in closing, “Though Girls in Tech is closing its doors, the movement we started must and will continue.
myth_drannon10 个月前
Tech industry is imploding, there is no need whatsoever to push women (or men) into a career in tech that has very limited opportunities at the moment.
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sciencesama10 个月前
Ai took software out so no more need for more software engineers so the funding for such programs from companies dry up !! Corporate want cheap labour that&#x27;s all !!