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Amazon Sold a Used Diaper. It Tanked a Mom-and-Pop Business

67 点作者 rurp10 个月前

24 条评论

cddotdotslash10 个月前
I’ve had multiple purchases recently where the product I ordered (new) arrived in obviously-used condition. First was a metal kitchen trash can that had scratches and small dents on it. Second was a stroller cover for the airplane that arrived with tons of dirt and black streak marks all over it. In both cases I got a refund but it makes me wonder how many other “new” products I’m getting from Amazon that are likely used.
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glzone110 个月前
I&#x27;ve personally received stuff that is sold as new that clearly wasn&#x27;t. In many cases it may have been somewhat hard to tell if just checking quickly outside of package. Amazon could have buyers note if still new or used on returns, check some &quot;new&quot; ones carefully, and if buyers are lying have a consequence. Because once you actually open a package it usually is crystal clear that stuff is used! Think a &quot;new&quot; pencil sharpener filled with different color shavings :)<p>In my case most stuff has been to low dollar value to deal with a returns cycle on - so maybe that plays into the algorithm. More expensive stuff this seems to be rarer or I&#x27;m just getting lucky there.
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cik10 个月前
Stories like these are the reason that I put my cellphone on a tripod and open every single package, I ever get from a retailer on camera, recording it. I do this in full, and take the necessary time. This has allowed me to continuously fight all silly return issues I&#x27;ve had.<p>It&#x27;s ridiculous that I have to do this. It&#x27;s saved my bacon twice (once literally with a computer). But the $5 tripod was worth every penny.
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jostmey10 个月前
I’ve received opened packages of baby food from Amazon. Of course, I immediately threw it away and didn’t even bother returning it, knowing that somebody else would end up with whatever was in the package. Amazon has some real problems and I cancelled my prime account over this and other issues
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TrainedMonkey10 个月前
I&#x27;ve received great many things from Amazon sold as new that were clearly used. For important ones I&#x27;ve returned &#x2F; replaced the items and amazon never made a fuss about it. I&#x27;ve always got an impression that they know this is going on and outsource returned item verification to customers.
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ChrisArchitect10 个月前
[dupe]<p>More discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40969870">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40969870</a>
boilerupnc10 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;LYOVm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;LYOVm</a>
radicality10 个月前
Imo the return policies have gotten out of hand and are negatively affecting many shoppers (by necessarily having increased prices), while the return scammers like this proliferate. It’s ridiculous that you are able to buy a mattress online, and have a _year_ to sleep on it and then just return it for free. How much cheaper would this all be if returns weren’t priced in.<p>I know someone from work that during covid bought a desk and used it for a year, returned it after 364 days for full refund, then immediately bought another, and then returned that again whenever offices opened up again. And he absolutely could afford the desk. And apart from ethical arguments, there’s not much to argue since he followed all the policy rules, and ended up with 2 years of completely free desk usage so a net win for him.<p>I don’t think there should be any “return for no reason” policies, or if there are there should be very high restocking fees. Only if the item is completely broken &#x2F; unusable should there be returns. And something like a diaper shouldn’t even be returnable.
nerdjon10 个月前
I do have to wonder if Target or Wallmart have this problem, particularly with Wallmart going the same marketplace model.<p>Clearly something is wrong with Amazon&#x27;s return process, but just curious if this is unique to Amazon or just known more with Amazon due to scale?<p>I have seen a few of these articles and the thing I have not seen outlined, was this a case of the original person packaging up the order to make it appear as new? Would it have required Amazon to fully open the package and possibly break a seal (even if it was already broke, but if they tried to make it appear as new)?<p>It is also worth being very clear here that his incident happened in 2020. A lot could have changed about their process. It doesnt excuse it and they clearly still have a problem, but it is an important detail that is quite a bit into the article.
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llm_nerd10 个月前
Whenever an Amazon story appears on HN, dozens of comments appear with stories of used goods sold as new, bricks instead of PS5s, counterfeit goods, etc. Going by the consensus you&#x27;d think Amazon has a 0% customer satisfaction rate.<p>Just as a counterpoint, I&#x27;ve bought thousands of items from the site. Multiple thousands. From dried dates to SLRs, random offbrand tablets to laptops. I&#x27;ve had zero used-as-new, counterfeit or replaced goods. None. A couple of times I had notices that things were delivered when they actually weren&#x27;t, but Amazon immediately sent me a replacement (and in more than one case the original item eventually turned up and Amazon told me to keep that too). One time a driver turned on my wet lawn and left a rut so Amazon gave me a $500 credit.<p>Eh, overall I&#x27;m extremely satisfied with the service. Does the Canadian operation just not do the shady stuff? Am I just a remarkable exception?
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blackeyeblitzar10 个月前
Most of the discussion is about what Amazon did wrong. What about the person returning a used diaper? What kind of deranged person does that? Is this some kind of exploitation of a generous return policy? I’ve seen those kinds of shoppers ruin the policy for everyone else.
dk23asdfjf10 个月前
&quot;It’s extremely rare for these types of mistakes to happen, and when they do we take them very seriously to improve the experiences of customers and sellers.&quot;<p>Bullshit. Literally everyone I know has had this problem with Amazon (albeit not with poopy diapers). Is this a repeat case of Amazon managers looking at metrics and assuming all is well?[1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.startuparchive.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;jeff-bezos-recounts-the-time-he-called-amazon-s-customer-service-number-mid-meeting-to-prove-a-metri" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.startuparchive.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;jeff-bezos-recounts-the-tim...</a>
konart10 个月前
As someone who was employed by three large marketplaces in two different countries: you can&#x27;t and won&#x27;t have easy returns and quality checks.<p>Every one sell returned goods regardless of condition. It&#x27;s not like it affects the marketplace in any meaningfull way.
kirykl10 个月前
I sell a custom manufactured consumable product on Amazon FBA. I’ve had to redesign the packaging to make it impossible to repackage for a return, so it cannot be restocked and resold. Buyers were previously returning half used and Amazon was restocking
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barryrandall10 个月前
There&#x27;s an entire industry devoted to teaching people how to flip Amazon return pallets. The warnings not to relist returns as new on Amazon might as well be instructions to do exactly that.
karaterobot10 个月前
As noted in the article, returns are high volume and it&#x27;s hard to thoroughly inspect every item. Somebody on a line probably saw a package that looked like it hadn&#x27;t even been opened, and said &quot;cool, that&#x27;s an unopened return, I don&#x27;t have to spend time on that one, on to the next item&quot;. They made a mistake. It&#x27;s not that it isn&#x27;t bad, it&#x27;s that it&#x27;s bound to happen.<p>The bigger issue is used items being sold as new. That could be a mistake too, except it happens way too often to be a mistake. That&#x27;s lawsuit territory. Amazon needs to fix that.<p>But to me, the more interesting issue is how one bad review can tank a business. I&#x27;m assuming that&#x27;s what happened in this case, and that&#x27;s how the article portrays it. Of course, Amazon should have removed the review in question, because it was ultimately their fault and not the business&#x27;. However, my hot take is that I think prospective buyers are at fault for seeing a product with an overwhelming number of positive reviews, then seeing one bad review, and thinking &quot;Gross, I won&#x27;t buy these diapers, the company sells them with shit inside!!!&quot;
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wackget10 个月前
This is what happens when customers don&#x27;t understand the separation between product manufacture and product fulfilment.<p>This was Amazon&#x27;s fault (for re-selling a returned product as new) but it was also the reviewer&#x27;s fault for blaming the manufacturer instead of the fulfiller.<p>I see it all the time in product reviews. A one-star review because &quot;PRODUCT ARRIVED LATE AND BOX WAS DAMAGED BECAUSE UPS THREW IT OVER MY FENCE!!!&quot; is a totally useless review and doesn&#x27;t help anyone, except maybe letting the reviewer vent their anger.<p>Product reviews are not the place for this kind of review, unless the fault is clearly on the manufacturer themselves, or the manufacturer&#x27;s customer service has been poor.<p>Interestingly though, Amazon seems to have addressed this problem in their Marketplace seller reviews. If you view the profile of a Marketplace seller you&#x27;ll see &quot;mini reviews&quot; of the seller themselves. When people rate the seller poorly because of delivery problems, the review is greyed out and a note says &quot;Amazon takes responsibility for the fulfilment of this order&quot;. It&#x27;s been like that for years, and I don&#x27;t know why they haven&#x27;t extended the same system to product reviews.<p>TL;DR the reviewer shouldn&#x27;t have written a product review about a bad fulfilment experience, but Amazon should improve their website to make the distinction clearer.
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throwaway17373810 个月前
“We take issues of this type very seriously.”<p>Yeah, <i>after</i> they happen. None of the activities their spokesperson describe are proactive. Everything is in response to a terrible experience. Which is fine for a small company, but even rare bad experiences happen with enough frequency at scale that if you’re not anticipating them you’re already behind the curve. Which is one more reason I don’t shop at Amazon anymore.
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gdilla10 个月前
What I keep telling hw companies - you NEED quality control.
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bmitc10 个月前
I don&#x27;t buy things I need to rely on from Amazon.
dgeiser1310 个月前
Why would a diaper even be returnable?
nmeofthestate10 个月前
&quot;Amazon removed the review a few hours after Bloomberg published this story.&quot;<p>Disgusting and absolutely par for the course with these big web companies.
praptak10 个月前
This is literal enshittification. Way to go, Bezos.
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trte9343r410 个月前
Luiss Rossmann says Aliexpress is now better than Amazon.
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