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Want to spot a deepfake? Look for the stars in their eyes

296 点作者 jonbaer10 个月前

35 条评论

jmmcd10 个月前
They love saying things like "generative AI doesn't know physics". But the constraint that both eyes should have consistent reflection patterns is just another statistical regularity that appears in real photographs. Better training, larger models, and larger datasets, will lead to models that capture this statistical regularity. So this "one weird trick" will disappear without any special measures.
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olivierduval10 个月前
Warning: photoshopped portraits (and most of pro portraits ARE photoshopped, even slightly) may add &quot;catch lights&quot; in the eyes, to make the portrait more &quot;alive&quot;<p>So that kind of &quot;clues&quot; only shows that the picture has been processed, not that the people on the picture doesn&#x27;t exists or is a deepfake
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crazygringo10 个月前
I don&#x27;t know, the example photos of deepfakes here seem... pretty good. If that&#x27;s the worst they could find, then this doesn&#x27;t seem useful at all.<p>Even in the real photos, you can see that the reflections are different in both position and shape, because the two eyeballs aren&#x27;t perfectly aligned and reflections are going to be genuinely different.<p>And then when you look at the actual &quot;reflections&quot; their software is supposedly detecting (highlighted in green and blue) and you compare with the actual photo, their software is doing a <i>terrible</i> job detecting reflections in the first place -- missing some, and spuriously adding others that don&#x27;t exist.<p>Maybe this is a valuable tool for spotting deepfakes, but this webpage is doing a <i>terrible</i> job at convincing me of that.<p>(Not to mention that reflections like these are often added in Photoshop for professional photography, which might have similar subtle positioning errors, and training on those photos reproduces them. So then this wouldn&#x27;t tell you at all that it&#x27;s an AI photo -- it might just be a real photo that someone photoshopped reflections into.)
adwi10 个月前
&gt; The Gini coefficient is normally used to measure how the light in an image of a galaxy is distributed among its pixels. This measurement is made by ordering the pixels that make up the image of a galaxy in ascending order by flux and then comparing the result to what would be expected from a perfectly even flux distribution.<p>Interesting, I’d only heard of the Gini coefficient as an econometric measure of income inequality.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gini_coefficient" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gini_coefficient</a>
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brabel10 个月前
Well, nice find, but now all the fakes have to do is add a new layer of AI that knows how to fix the eyes.
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gyosko10 个月前
It seems that even discussion about AI is getting really polarized like everything else these days.<p>Comments are always one of these two types:<p>1 -&gt; AI is awesome and perfect, if it isn&#x27;t, another AI will make it perfect 2 -&gt; AI is just garbage and will always be garbage
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bqmjjx0kac10 个月前
I wouldn&#x27;t be shocked if phone cameras accidentally produced weird effects like this. Case in point: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;12&#x2F;2&#x2F;23985299&#x2F;iphone-bridal-photo-three-poses-explanation-panorama-photoshop-generative-ai" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;12&#x2F;2&#x2F;23985299&#x2F;iphone-bridal-ph...</a>
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keybored10 个月前
&gt; In an era when the creation of artificial intelligence (AI) images is at the fingertips of the masses, the ability to detect fake pictures – particularly deepfakes of people – is becoming increasingly important.<p>The masses having access to things wasn’t a cutoff point for me.
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neom10 个月前
Random thought: GCHQ and IDF specifically seek out dyslexic employees to put on spotting &quot;things out of place&quot; be it a issue in a large amount of data, or something that seems wrong on a map, to a picture that contains something impossible in physics. Something about dyslexic processing provides an advantage here (not sure if I&#x27;d take this or reading at 1 word per hour), given GPTs are just NNs, I wonder if there is any &quot;dyslexic specific&quot; neurology you could build a NN around and apply it to problems neurodivergent minds are good at? Not sure what I&#x27;m really saying here as I only have armchair knowledge.
Y_Y10 个月前
If you can see the difference than so can the computer. If the computer can see it we have a discriminator than we can use in a GAN-like fashion to train the network not to make that mistake again.
RobotToaster10 个月前
Interesting, some portrait photographers use cross polarised light to eliminate reflection from glasses, but it has the side effect of eliminating reflection from eyes.
plasticeagle10 个月前
Any algorithm that claims the ability to detect AI automatically must always be possible to circumvent. All one has to do is incorporate the algorithm in your image generation process, and perturb or otherwise modify your output until the image passes the test.
threatripper10 个月前
I really wonder where the limit is for AI. Reality has an incredible amount of detail that you can&#x27;t just simulate or emulate entirely. However, our perception is limited, and we can&#x27;t process all those details. AI only has to be good enough to fool our perception, and I&#x27;m confident that every human-understandable method for identifying fakes can be fooled by generative AI. It will probably be up to AI to identify AI-generated content. Even then, noise and limited resolution will mask the flaws. For many forms of content, there will simply be no way to determine what&#x27;s real.
singingwolfboy10 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;pDf1x" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;pDf1x</a>
raisedbyninjas10 个月前
The sample images don&#x27;t show a large difference between the real and generated photo. The light sources in the real photo must have been pretty close to the subject.
symisc_devel10 个月前
Well, they are relatively easy to spot with the current AI software used to generate them especially if you are dealing on a daily basis with presentation attacks aka deepfakes for facial recognition. FACEIO has already deployed a very powerful model to deter such attacks for the purpose of facial authentication: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;faceio.net&#x2F;security-best-practice#faceSpoof" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;faceio.net&#x2F;security-best-practice#faceSpoof</a>
grvbck10 个月前
Am I missing something here, or are the authors incorrectly using the term &quot;deepfake&quot; where &quot;AI-generated&quot; would have been more appropriate?<p>There&#x27;s a lot of comments here discussing how generative AI will deal with this, which is really interesting.<p>But if somebody&#x27;s actual goal was to pass off a doctored&#x2F;AI-generated image as authentic, it would be very easy to just correct the eye reflection (and other flaws) manually, no?
zeristor10 个月前
Enhance.<p>The film Blade Runner for a large but was about determining hunting down androids that were so close to being human.<p>Not part of the test, but a nifty party of the film, was about using a photograph to see what clues were in a picture by looking deeply into reflections.<p>As has been said, this omission can be added as a test in generating the AI images in time, but I just loved how this inadvertently reminded me of Blade Runner.
constantcrying10 个月前
These articles are incredibly unhelpful. I have no doubt that in a short amount of time AI models will also have learned the statistical dependence between reflections in eyes. It is inevitable that this &quot;trick&quot; will become obsolete. This just gives a the false impression, both about AI and how to spot AI generation.
SXX10 个月前
I wonder how true this is for face swap. Since actual scammers likely wouldn&#x27;t generate deepfakes completely from scratch or static image.
ch33zer10 个月前
I suspect that detecting ai generated content will becomes an arms race just like spam filtering and seo. Business will be built on using secret ml models detecting smaller and smaller irregularities in images and text. It&#x27;ll be interesting to see who wins
nottorp10 个月前
I can&#x27;t read TFA because it&#x27;s probably HNed. However an artist friend of mine said generated images are easy to spot because every pixel is &quot;perfect&quot;. Not only eyes.<p>Explained pretty well why I thought even non realistic ones felt ... uncanny.
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butlike10 个月前
I don&#x27;t understand the &quot;galaxy&quot; terminology in the sentence: &quot;To measure the shapes of galaxies, we analyse whether they&#x27;re centrally compact, whether they&#x27;re symmetric, and how smooth they are&quot;<p>Can someone explain?
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chefandy10 个月前
Ah! This is a great technique! Surely now that it&#x27;s published it would be easily remediable in a compositing program like Nuke, but for more casual efforts, it&#x27;s a solid test.
AlbertCory10 个月前
I took a film lighting class a long, long time ago at a community college. Even then, you could look at a closeup and tell where the lights were by the reflections in the eyes.
batch1210 个月前
How does the deep fake have the same eye shape, same cropping and same skin blemishes as the real image? Did they inpaint eyes and call it deepfake for training?
ggm10 个月前
Out of interest, how many CAPTCHA are or were part of training? Is there any factual basis to the belief that&#x27;s what it descended to?
notorandit10 个月前
Once you highlight any inconsistency in AI-generated content, IMHO, it will take a nothingth of a second to &quot;fix&quot; that.
Rury10 个月前
The necklace in the right photo is a more obvious giveaway, whereas you have to look closely at eyes to see if they match.
leidenfrost10 个月前
AFAIK deepfakes can&#x27;t mimic strong gesticulations very well, nor mimic correctly a head facing sideways.<p>Or was that corrected?
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throw484728510 个月前
Also be on the look out for high flyin&#x27; clouds and people dancin&#x27; on a string.
ziofill10 个月前
Ok. But it does feel like we’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.
GaggiX10 个月前
Did they try using this method on something that is not StyleGAN?
HumblyTossed10 个月前
Isn&#x27;t it easier to simply look for all the 6 fingered hands?
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borgchick10 个月前
spy vs spy, round n