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A chemist explains the chemistry behind decaf coffee

265 点作者 BerislavLopac10 个月前

19 条评论

martinpw10 个月前
The decaf process seems expensive so you might expect the end result to cost more, but it never does. Which means either the producers are making less profit on decaf, or they are using lower quality beans. If the latter is true, which seems more likely, that might explain why decaf sometimes tastes less good, separately from the effect of the process itself on taste.
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iscrewyou10 个月前
A good video explanation from James Hoffman: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;yYTSdlOdkn0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;yYTSdlOdkn0</a><p>And a quick follow up: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;IszQ2JR3Olc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;IszQ2JR3Olc</a>
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gcanyon10 个月前
Nile Red demonstrates removing caffeine from tea here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=RIbff5iD0GQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=RIbff5iD0GQ</a><p>and from coffee here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=_CoxEgbyeK4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=_CoxEgbyeK4</a>
zokier10 个月前
It is somewhat magical to me that these processes can be as selective as they are. Coffee beans must have hundreds if not thousands of organic compounds in them, and somehow something as simple as co2 (or the other solvents) picks up mainly caffeine. Somehow that is very counterintuitive to me.
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jmann9999910 个月前
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RamblingCTO10 个月前
I wonder why we don&#x27;t use genetic modifications to get caffeine free coffee?
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pillefitz10 个月前
I&#x27;d love if all psychoactive compounds could be removed from coffee beans. The stress response and inability to sleep I get from decaf beans is pretty much comparable to that from normal beans (and distinctly different from pure caffeine or green tea)
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eirikbakke10 个月前
So, in the Swiss Water process, caffeine-free coffee is made by soaking the beans in... caffeine-free coffee?<p>(My initial though was, &quot;then how do you get the cafeeine-free coffee in the first place&quot;, but I see the answer is that you can decaffeinate liquids by running them through charcoal filters... something you can&#x27;t do with solid beans.)
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jb199110 个月前
I love decaf but the main problem is how fragile the stability of the beans are. They go bad quickly. To get the same cup of decaf coffee every day requires more work if you are grinding your own and making espresso. Still, I love them.<p>Personally, I&#x27;ve found the CO2 method to have a lot more flavor than the Swiss Water. I also found the CO2 beans don&#x27;t deteriorate as quickly as the Swiss Water beans.
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hooverd10 个月前
SWP is trendy and &quot;chemical-free&quot; but in my experience every decaf made with it is lacking something. C02 is neutral. EA is probably the best for fruity coffees.
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bishfish10 个月前
Why not try low caffeine variety like Laurina? It&#x27;s about 1&#x2F;3 to 1&#x2F;2 the caffeine of Arabica.
Murky351510 个月前
TIL about one of the solvents involved, ethyl acetate, and the fact that it is not good for you. How do I know that my local coffee shop&#x27;s machine is working correctly and provides only safe levels of this solvent?
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abcd_f10 个月前
It&#x27;d be interesting to compare these 3 methods side by side starting with same beans.<p>I&#x27;ve tried, conservatively, a dozen and a half of different decafs available here in the EU, and some a <i>markedly</i> better than others. In fact, most are outright garbage with an exception of two that are virtually indistinguishable from each other even though they are from unrelated brands. So I wonder if the differences are due to the process rather something else.
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deegles10 个月前
I thought about buying a supercritical CO2 extraction machine from Alibaba and having a small business around making decaf beans for roasters, but the numbers didn&#x27;t work out great. I believe it was around $20k usd for the medium sized ones.
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xnavra5010 个月前
Well, they used some unhealthy solvents to extract the caffeine in the past. Swiss water method should be ok, but I just don&#x27;t trust that some cheap company is not cheating in the process every now and then.<p>I drink regular coffee.
callalex10 个月前
Why are there no GMO decaf bean varieties? Is the caffeine really that necessary for pest control even when cultivated&#x2F;farmed?
jollyllama10 个月前
Does it work the same for instant?
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wnolens10 个月前
Will an entrepreneur please make high quality (great tasting) decaf coffee ubiquitous?<p>There&#x27;s a growing anti-drug sentiment that should be a great tailwind.<p>It&#x27;s hard for me to find as good tasting a bean as it is with non-decaf. I&#x27;ve tried subscription services or pay huge shipping and product premium from some boutique retailer, the beans are always just ok. Decaf still doesn&#x27;t get enough priority as the product itself, always an afterthought it feels like.
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AnotherGoodName10 个月前
I&#x27;d like to talk a bit more about the cheapest and most common process here. They state that ethyl acetate is below the FDA limits and therefore safe. For a start ethyl acetate is still pretty bad but it&#x27;s not the cheapest.<p>Another common solvent not mentioned here is Dichloromethane. It&#x27;s a pretty clear cancer causing agent <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;todayilearned&#x2F;comments&#x2F;pr8k9v&#x2F;til_some_food_company_brands_making_decaf_coffee&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;todayilearned&#x2F;comments&#x2F;pr8k9v&#x2F;til_s...</a><p>You know what else is a solvent for decaffeinating coffee? Benzene. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Benzene#Health_effects" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Benzene#Health_effects</a><p>Don&#x27;t drink decaf. The CO2 method is pretty safe but the simple fact is unless you&#x27;re sure how your beans were decaffinated you&#x27;re better off not drinking it.
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