An AI bot-war destroyed the online job market

73 点作者 heisenbit10 个月前

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simonw10 个月前

I think the two most significant trends described by this article are "ghost jobs" - job listing that companies leave up even though they don't actually have a role to fill - and aggregators and scrapers which gather copies of job listings from elsewhere in order to populate a job board with a bunch of duplicate, potentially stale or filled positions.Combined, these help explain why people complain of applying for 60 jobs and only hearing back from two of them - most of the listings aren't actually valid leads.From the article:> Half the managers in question said that one emphatically ambiguous reason they would keep such job listings open indefinitely was because “The company was always open to new people.” That was actually one of the better answers on a list of very bad ones. A tie, at 43%, went to the next most-common responses, “To give the impression that the company is growing” and “To keep current employees motivated.” Perhaps the most infuriating replies came in at 39% and 33%, respectively: “The job was filled” (but the post was left online anyway to keep gathering résumés), and “No reason in particular.”> That’s right, all you go-getters out there: When you scream your 87th cover letter into the ghost-job void, there’s a one in three chance that your time was wasted for “no reason in particular.”

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mycentstoo10 个月前

I don't think I've personally ever been as disillusioned with technology more than with the recent rapid adoption of AI.I think AI is massively negative on the environment via increased energy consumption to train large LLMs, on creative endeavors via the auto-generated art, etc. on labor via automation of jobs through AI agents, or the degradation of the job market, on public communication via the proliferation of fake videos/news, on personal relationships via AI significant others, on child development through easier cheating, etc, etc.I get that there's a certain inevitability about technology. I also feel - and this could be a terrible analogy - that might have been what it was like to develop nuclear weapons. Better to develop and harness the technology for yourself if your competition is doing so too. That's the world and the market that we've constructed and it's rational to take advantage where you can.I certainly don't pretend to stand on any moral high ground about what I would do if given the opportunity to cash out from AI skills if I had them.But it all makes me very sad. I think I'll go read a book.

janalsncm10 个月前

I really don’t like unemployment as a metric. If the US economy was a product and I was the product owner for it, it would be the last indicator to check. Underemployment is a much bigger issue since a barista with a PhD counts as employment, but from the user perspective (people living in the economy) there’s not much difference between full time minimum wage work in a HCOL area and not working.

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tymscar10 个月前

Back in January I wrote a blogpost about this exact issue and people treated it as ramblings. I discussed it with over 30 people in the meantime each saying theres no way ghost jobs are a thing, theres no way it’s that bad, or that they have a job so surely this is exaggerated.It’s not, it really is that bad, and more than a dozen of them since lost their job and messaged me saying that the blogpost is much more real than they could’ve ever imagined.<a href="https://blog.tymscar.com/posts/jobhunting/" rel="nofollow">https://blog.tymscar.com/posts/jobhunting/</a>

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SpicyLemonZest10 个月前

> But here’s the thing: While those criticisms may well be accurate for a certain number of anecdotal examples, anybody who searches for more such examples will never, ever run out. They can’t all have jumbled résumés. They can’t all need interview coaching.Yes they can! It's stunning to see this level of media illiteracy from a reporter. In a country of 300 million people, there's all kinds of misleading or outright fictitious trends that you'll never run out of examples for. And then the article goes on to cite a "time-to-hire" statistic from a private report written by some guy and his self-named consulting company.I'm a lot less confident this trend is even real than I was when I started reading.

DenisM10 个月前

So if the job marketplaces are flooded, where does one find a job anymore?It seems like one should spend maybe 20% of their work time just maintaining professional connections to make sure they can find a job when they inevitably need one.

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bloopernova10 个月前

<pre><code> s/An AI bot-war/Greed, selfishness, and laziness/g</code></pre>

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rgavuliak10 个月前

The article seems to have one of the most stupidest takes of all.> In other words, were they using early forms of what could now be considered management AI to automatically re-submit ghost listingsSurely you don't need an AI to automate a job resubmission, but somehow the author needed to grab attention by mentioning AI. No one asked the hiring managers if they were doing this. Workable is mentioned, but then this gem arises:> what’s called “job post scraping,”Yeah, AI writing job postings allright.We finally get to the AI part:> Armed with AI-driven interactive voice emulators, domain name spoofing, Python-powered web crawlers, the ability to post a fake job while posing as a real company, and some basic 3rd-grade distraction skills, scammers are winning in ways that would’ve seemed like science fiction just a few years ago.Ok fine, but automated voice chatbots are not seamless yet.The article is connecting random things and claiming it's AI

formerly_proven10 个月前

fwiw here in europe I don't think you - or anyone - is going to find a job online any more, and even through networking it's very unlikely to find a job, since there are virtually no (real) openings any more. Basically nobody is hiring, and those who are, aren't paying anything worthwhile.

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smarm5210 个月前

The only thing I've found evidence to work to get actual responses is LazyApply.

nomdep10 个月前

As always, journalists blaming tech for everything bad, this time unemployment.Higher interest rates makes money more scarse, section 174 makes hiring programmers too expensive, high inflation makes everyone poorer… but sure, it must be the evil AI!

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curtisblaine10 个月前

Ghost jobs, at least in Europe, are a way for recruiters to get your data and send you real jobs, normally much less glamorous. Ghost apartments to let* too, for scummy estate agents instead of recruiters.*Which are real places that have been already let months ago but whose status was never updated to keep them in search results.

rldjbpin10 个月前

having been through this stuff recently, i find that "speculative application" is a wasted opportunity for all this "AI" bs.if both sides are going to blindly spam with llm, why not only send one application and let the likes of workday match the profile with internal personnel requirements?being without a job during my search and getting little to no replies to hundreds of applications, often tens in the same company, drained the life out of me and i wish this to nobody.it seems like this will have a similar fate as filing for taxes in the states. the job platforms benefit from the on-paper engagement this situation produces.

GreatLdisisp8810 个月前

Job market isnt that rosy as government stats show. Just go to any foodbanks and see for yourself the queue. Remember no one audit government numbers. All the numbers are essentially "trust me bros".

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