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Cats appear to grieve death of fellow pets – even dogs, study finds

118 点作者 hackernj9 个月前

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MentatOnMelange9 个月前
Growing up, my family had 2 cats, both adopted at the same time as kittens. They slept curled up with each other and played together constantly.<p>One of them died suddenly years later. As painful as that was, it was even more heartbreaking to see our other cat dealing with his death. She did not understand why he had disappeared, and grew increasingly upset in the days following. Searching everywhere around the house making distressed meows at all hours. Demanding to have every door opened so she could search every inch of the house multiple times.<p><pre><code> After a week, she began to understand our other cat was not coming back. For at least a month, her appetite disappeared, she was grooming herself compulsively and needed to be near one of us 24&#x2F;7. </code></pre> This is only one anecdote… but to me the fact animals can grieve is beyond question
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selykg9 个月前
I had to say goodbye to one of my cats on Monday. I found out she had cancer on Thursday after she collapsed. Did enough to keep her around and not in too much pain over the weekend but Monday was the day.<p>I cried my eyes out before taking her to the vet for the last time and she came up to me and licked my face and nibbled. She was an extremely affectionate cat.<p>I brought her back home so the other two could see&#x2F;sniff her because I didn&#x27;t want them to not understand that she just disappeared. One of them is definitely more concerned than the other.<p>Cats are pretty amazing creatures and while not all of them are super affectionate (my other two aren&#x27;t) they seem to understand a lot more than we give them credit for. Mine always know and understand when I&#x27;m not feeling well and show it in their own ways. I will miss the hugs and cuddles from the one I said goodbye to... I needed those hugs and cuddles this week but the one that would give them wasn&#x27;t with me anymore. Tough times.<p>I would encourage anyone to take the time with their animals and give them attention and love. You never know when a surprise may come and you have very little time to say goodbye.
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FriedrichN9 个月前
This shouldn&#x27;t come as a surprise to anyone who has paid attention to their cats&#x27; behaviour when another pet dies. I remember when one of our four cats didn&#x27;t come home, there were definitely changes in how the remaining three behaved. Apparently the cat got hit by a car and was found by someone and dumped in one of those bins where they dump dead animals for rendering. We took her home and laid her on the lawn so the other cats could know that she was dead. Each of the cats came one by one, giving it a sniff and concluding that she was dead. One of them however stayed with her until we took her away to bury her, an incredibly endearing display. It took a while before they all started acting like they did before.<p>And with the subsequent deaths of all the remaining cats, as they are all sadly deceased, I saw similar things happen.<p>We should not anthropomorphise animals, but that doesn&#x27;t mean they don&#x27;t have complex feelings or thoughts. If we find that even bees can &quot;play&quot;, it&#x27;s not that weird if cats can &quot;grieve&quot;.
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4oo49 个月前
If you have concerns about having to potentially put down a pet, find an at home euthanasia vet, IMO it&#x27;s the best way to deal with this process. Having animals be able to see and smell the death happening helps them understand, you don&#x27;t have to worry about transporting an animal in rough condition, and having them in a familiar environment when it happens makes it far less stressful for them. Last year, I had planned to have my dog put down a few weeks after his health started really declining, but when it was obvious that he was in unbearable pain, the vet agreed to come out later that day, on just a few hours notice, no questions asked.<p>The dog was very closely bonded to my two cats (who themselves are a bonded pair of litter mates) and having the dog euthanized this way allowed the cats to understand what happened. They were pretty distraught afterward (as was I) but weren&#x27;t looking for him around the house. Their personalities changed in that they were more stressed out when I had company at the house, and didn&#x27;t really return to normal until I adopted another dog about a month ago that they were able to bond with in a really similar way. Because of how closely the cats are bonded I definitely will need to use one when the time comes for either cat.<p>I really don&#x27;t know how someone could deal with putting down animals all day, but if you can find a good one they are fantastic. In addition to helping my cats, it definitely helped me process the situation way better than if it had been done in a sterile setting at a vet&#x27;s office.
solardev9 个月前
Biologically, it would be pretty strange for grieving to not have evolved pretty early on in the mammalian brain, no?<p>It would be pretty weird for a smart, social mammal to simply ignore the death of a beloved companion. Are there any social mammals that DON&#x27;T grieve? Maybe large herd&#x2F;flock animals (deer, bat, rodents)...?<p>It was surprisingly hard to find a scientific consensus on this topic. Maybe there isn&#x27;t one yet? It seemed obvious to me, but that&#x27;s not data, just anecdotal experience with animals.
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astura9 个月前
I had two cats who lived together for 11 years, but they only barely tolerated each other, they didn&#x27;t fight but they also didn&#x27;t spend time together, play together, sleep together, or groom each other.<p>So when one died I was shocked that the other paced around yowling for days. I don&#x27;t know if he missed her specifically or was just confused about where she was and his confusion is what was causing distress.
TheBozzCL9 个月前
Another anecdote to add to the pile.<p>We used to have semi-feral cats living in our shed. One time, one of them had kittens. Not too long after, our dogs broke into the fenced area around the shed and killed and ate the kittens. We only found some blood and bits and pieces, it was gruesome.<p>For quite a while, the mom went around meowing like crazy, she looked very distressed. I guess she didn’t see them die, there wan’t much for her to find and understand.<p>I really don’t know why our dogs were so aggressive towards smaller animals. They were perfectly fine with people and kids, but we has to keep them far away from the cats and chickens. I guess they learned from each other.
donatj9 个月前
Oh, I would absolutely believe it.<p>We were alerted our one cat had died suddenly in the bathtub to the sound of our other cat howling outside the bathroom door. The surviving cat then acted really strange for the next week or so.
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frinxor9 个月前
Makes sense, I dread the day when one of my cats passes (5 year old and 1 year old cat).<p>A nitpick: The researchers are asking the owners for the owners&#x27; observations during a time of grief, which doesn&#x27;t seem as robust as it could be. Humans would be emotional, grieving, and also projecting their own loss to their other animals. (Theres not much of a control or a fair baseline here)
brainless9 个月前
As a child, I used to spend a lot of time with insects. I wanted to understand how they understand the world. I have thought about death and how other animals may perceive it. In the recent years, with a lot of machine comprehension, I find myself asking these questions again. And I spend a lot more time with animals now, so that aids in the process.<p>In a way a deeper question I have is do we humans actually &quot;understand&quot; death in similar ways? I personally do not think so and it arises from how much or little I have seen people spend time pondering on these topics. With some, I can discuss hypotheticals easily and with others I just can not. They do not admire these subjects and I wonder if our brains just perceive some of these things differently. Time is another such topic.<p>I should add that we do not need to agree on what is &quot;death&quot; in order to grieve the missing. But I guess how would cats know death vs missing (vacation)?
dugite-code9 个月前
I still remember after my first dog died the cat would check his kennel and favorite spots for weeks while sadly meowing.<p>It was heartbreaking to watch, especially because she was a very quiet cat and rarely meowed at all.
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drakonka9 个月前
When my 6-month-old kitten was sick and in the hospital, his 3-month-old &quot;sister&quot; would walk around the apartment yowling constantly. This would be broken up only by periods of her clinging to&#x2F;around me in a way she never has before or since (she was always much more independent than the other one), before going back on her search.
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JohnBooty9 个月前
Very interesting. I&#x27;ve been lucky enough to have some very affectionate and loving pets. However, they have generally just been closely bonded to us, not the other pets.<p>Following various deaths (2 cats, 1 dog) and departures (1 cat and 1 dog from a departing housemate) the remaining pets didn&#x27;t seem to show any lasting behavior change at all.<p>The only thing I observed is that, after fellow cats died or departed, the remaining cats spent a day or two roaming the house and seemingly searching for them. They seemed to be in something like &quot;stalking&quot; mode, moving slowly and stealthily. But, they didn&#x27;t seem distressed.<p>My 2nd dog actually seemed happier after the first one died. Seemed happier to have us &quot;for himself.&quot;<p>Domesticated dogs and cats are social, and are clearly capable of love for any reasonable definition of the word &quot;love.&quot;
addicted9 个月前
I don’t know how anyone who has pets, especially cats, would question this.<p>Of course, the grieving brings up the awkward question about all the other animals that we don’t categorize as companion animals and abuse and murder for trivial and unnecessary reasons.
boogieknite9 个月前
An anecdote of a somewhat opposite experience with 2 cats.<p>One had a big personality, very outgoing with strangers, and only left family members alone go hunting[1]. The other was a bit dopey and didn&#x27;t groom well.<p>After the superstar cat passed then the surviving cat became much more energetic, playful, and outgoing. We all commented he seemed to step into the limelight after his counterpart passed.<p>Still not sure if it was driven by us giving him more attention or by him &quot;activating&quot; and demanding more attention.<p>As for cats and dogs: our cat seems uninterested in our dog. But when the dogs boarded our cat walks room to room screaming until the dogs back home.<p>[1]i was a kid, my cat stays inside now. Sorry birds :(
DoesntMatter229 个月前
I had a cat and a dog. I had to put the dog to sleep and I came home and was so upset. My cat came over and I pet her. Her reaction was like &quot;we had a dog? I think I&#x27;d remember if we had a dog&quot;
bitwize9 个月前
Cats are loving, lovable little beasties and anyone who says otherwise is either lying, or repeating propaganda from dog people.<p>Cat body language is more difficult for humans to decipher, whereas dogs literally evolved extra eye muscles to better make those adorable expressions at us. That doesn&#x27;t make it the cat&#x27;s problem if you miss their signs of love. The orneriest cat I knew became highly, HIGHLY distressed when she lost her hearing and with it, constant assurance that her humans were around.
dawnerd9 个月前
Yep can confirm. Had two cats and when the one died this last winter her brother has been definitely acting differently. It’s kinda sad, I can tell he’s trying to find her still too.
tbrake9 个月前
Deep down I believe such things about both dogs and cats to some degree.<p>But also this is also a survey of pet owners about their own pets&#x27; behaviors, and I can&#x27;t shake the feeling there&#x27;s more than a bit of projection&#x2F;anthropomorphism involved.<p>The link from the article contained snippets but I can&#x27;t access the full paper. For anyone who can (if you would be so kind) did they share similar concerns and&#x2F;or control for them?
passion__desire9 个月前
Anyone who has spend significant times with animals know they are emotional and have personalities and behave just like us in some respects. Not my personal experience but stories from relatives who have from farm animals. A quick glance at #pets #animals tiktok or instagram will prove it.
rezaprima9 个月前
My child told me that when a cat of our neighbour died, she saw the other cat silently shed tears
DashAnimal9 个月前
I would be very very surprised if this were just limited to cats and dogs. If you&#x27;ve ever seen previously factory-farmed pigs, cows, and sheep there is just so much joy and care in them. Our relationship with animals needs to be heavily reevaluated.
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xg159 个月前
&gt; <i>US researchers say findings challenge view that cats are antisocial</i><p>This is an actual &quot;view&quot;? I thought that was a stereotype, possibly entertained by people who never had any extensive interactions with cats.
TurkishPoptart9 个月前
How do cats know if another pet dies? Oftentimes they don&#x27;t witness the actual death - the cat will just &quot;disappear&quot; because the owner would take it to the vet and the cat may be put to sleep there.
mberning9 个月前
They grieve so much that have been known to consume the deceased.
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InsideOutSanta9 个月前
I very much doubt cats understand the concept of death and can &quot;grieve,&quot; but they clearly do enjoy the company of people and other animals they like, and react to them no longer being around.<p>The first time I went on a two-week holiday after getting my cat, when I got back, she became super anxious about me leaving. Whenever I left, she would wait near door and meow loudly until I came back. It took a while for her to start to trust that I wouldn&#x27;t just disappear again when I left.<p>Edit 1: I have no idea idea why people are voting this down. I&#x27;d love for somebody to explain to me what about my comment is causing them to do that.<p>Edit 2: I guess the word &quot;grieve&quot; is ambiguous, but I understand it in this context to mean &quot;being upset at somebody else&#x27;s death.&quot; Of course cats are upset if somebody they like isn&#x27;t around, that&#x27;s what I&#x27;m describing happened with my cat. I just doubt it&#x27;s because they know that somebody died.<p>Edit 3: I think I might have been wrong, see: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41182137">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41182137</a> and <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41182236">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41182236</a>
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