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In Japanese You Need a Dictionary to Count Things

21 点作者 mrcgnc9 个月前

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firethief9 个月前
All languages have redundancy; it serves as a form of forward error correction. I recall some sort of study (sorry, no link) finding that information density was (by some metric) similar across different languages. So it&#x27;s not just inefficiency; it&#x27;s part of the language&#x27;s <i>necessary</i> inefficiency.<p>Of course, some forms of redundancy would be better than others--in cases where people aren&#x27;t sure which particle to use, it probably isn&#x27;t doing much good. However, language evolution is able to achieve some optimizations, and I suspect the particles people know tend to be the most important. For example, the many sushi or shellfish particles might sound particularly silly, but if you&#x27;re in those industries, maybe they are helpful in maintaining important distinctions in a noisy kitchen&#x2F;market, or in written records. If you&#x27;re a customer you probably don&#x27;t know them, and you don&#x27;t need to.<p>Epistemic status: Wild-ass guessing from my armchair.
jiehong9 个月前
Chinese calls those qualifiers or quantifiers, but they don’t even match the Japanese ones it seems, which is funny.<p>Like 一本书,两位人 and so on. Yet, you can default to the generic one which is 个 (even if it might not sound very proper or educated, it’s not wrong per say).
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gus_massa9 个月前
Is this somewhat similar to the collective nouns? Or they have counting nouns and collective nouns?
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barlog9 个月前
That&#x27;s a great point, thanks for the amazing insight!<p>素晴らしい着眼点ですね。気付きに感謝します!
raverbashing9 个月前
At some point, grammar complexities remain not because of language evolution, but as a way to enshrine power and privilege<p>The Book of Saint Albans being a prime example of this
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ThePowerOfFuet9 个月前
I found this super interesting (and was one of today&#x27;s ten thousand). Thanks for submitting it!