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Tim Sweeney: " Now Apple is demanding a 30% cut of all Patreon DONATIONS

206 点作者 retskrad9 个月前

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DataDive9 个月前
It made me wonder, is supporting an author on Patreon ever a &quot;DONATION&quot;?<p>If you derive satisfaction from a product, expect someone to produce it, and support that process, then it is a purchase regardless of what someone calls it.
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ElevenLathe9 个月前
All I can think of when I read about things like this in the App Store is one of my first jobs: I was a busboy at a country club. Waiters would get tipped (usually pretty generously, as these were wealthy people who were repeat customers and developed relationships with the wait staff over many years), and they would usually in turn tip out the bussers pretty generously too.<p>Until one day, when tipping was &quot;replaced&quot; by a 15% &quot;service fee&quot; that was tacked onto the bill. This was sold to members as a convenience: rather than need to carry cash to tip the waiter, you can sign for it and take care of it with your monthly bill. This was misleading because the &quot;service fee&quot; did not go to the waiters (or the bussers), but instead was simply kept by the business office.<p>To make this all legal, we did all get a raise to the actual minimum wage (rather than the &quot;tipped&quot; minimum wage). This was still a big wage cut, and they lost most of their long-time staff, leading to huge churn. I left shortly after this happened for a better job, but the club closed down completely a couple years later (after 80+ years in operation). I suspect but can&#x27;t prove that these things are related -- most likely they drank the waiters&#x27; milkshakes out of desperation, knowing they were eating their seed corn (to mix a metaphor).
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ncr1009 个月前
More discussion here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41224853">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41224853</a>
paxys9 个月前
If it isn&#x27;t going to a nonprofit it isn&#x27;t a donation. Call it tip or &quot;set your own price&quot; or whatever else, but donation is not the word.
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crazygringo9 个月前
As someone out of the loop -- what changed that they weren&#x27;t before?<p>I&#x27;m not interested in whether this is good or bad, I just want to know -- why <i>now</i>?<p>I thought all of these app store policies had been established for many years now.
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braza9 个月前
As someone who saw the DoJ and some European regulation authorities in the 90s it is bonkers to see how Apple operates ruthlessly in their ecosystem and how the regulators are sleeping in the wheel about how harmful this company is to the creativity industry (e.g. indie games, creators, etc).
smsm429 个月前
So why would anybody use patreon as app at all? Normal website still works, doesn&#x27;t it?
DoreenMichele9 个月前
Sort of a dupe.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41224853">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41224853</a>
ChrisArchitect9 个月前
[dupe]<p>Discussion on official post: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41224853">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41224853</a>
blackeyeblitzar9 个月前
Break up Apple (and Google and Microsoft and Amazon). Heavily tax all trillion dollar corporations. Regulate their services as utilities.
Dowwie9 个月前
so just use a browser rather than an app
tibbydudeza9 个月前
All your base are belong to us - play the Apple game and pay the piper.
arghwhat9 个月前
How dare they take creator income! That was Patreon’s job!<p>Patreon takes 8% fee + 2.5% currency conversion fee + 2.9%-5% and 0.1-0.3 USD transaction fee. That, and everything you create on any platform will need to live up to their requirements to not get kicked off.<p>Crooks, all of them.
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kgbcia9 个月前
Time for that breakup
htk9 个月前
The discussion on Apple&#x27;s cut is important, but calling Patreon charges as &quot;donations&quot; is just disingenuous by Sweeney, as always.
sureIy9 个月前
Don’t forget that this is the same Epic Games guy who recently said that tracking thieves via Find My is creepy.[1]<p>Dude’s still sour that Apple didn’t let him get away with breaking App Store rules and that judges sided with Apple too.<p>Note that “donations” are taxable income, so Apple is not out of their element for doing this.<p><pre><code> [1]: https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;TimSweeneyEpic&#x2F;status&#x2F;1818258637413835199</code></pre>
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otterley9 个月前
Keep in mind that Tim Sweeney doesn&#x27;t care about the public; he cares about Tim Sweeney. At the end of the day, the purpose of this controversy is to get Epic Games the money that Apple is collecting instead. Customers won&#x27;t win, and are merely pawns in this battle. So, anything he says should be treated with the skepticism it deserves. He&#x27;s no hero, and shouldn&#x27;t be treated as one.
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