Sorry to poop your party, but the heck is Wayland? Is it supposed to be a "product" as in a product to be packaged and sold for serious use?<p>From what I see the Wayland project began in 2007/2008. It is 16 years old now and still doesn't seem to be a capable replacement for X11, as in whatever it is X11 does that some people still prefer to use it.<p>Is this really normal? Is there some wishful thinking and hoping against hope and reason Wayland can and will ever be ready to do what a lot of computer users want, ie being a good substitute for X11?<p>I'm sorry but I'm so disappointed with this mindset in Linux users. Even with the backing of Intel and later Redhat, ie IBM or whoever it still seems to be hovering between a beta and gamma state.<p>Wouldn't it simply have been better to steadily hack, improve and involve X11 for the last 16 years?<p>Frankly I think the major companies which claim to have been backing or supporting it for the last 16 years have simply been playing Linux users, just winding them up.<p>Please don't tell me that if over the last 16 years some effort had been made to evolve X11 more progress couldn't have been made.<p>Even Emacs has made some progress over the last 16 years.