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Tesla drivers say new FSD update is repeatedly running red lights

74 点作者 ra79 个月前

13 条评论

Sohcahtoa829 个月前
Anybody buying FSD is a fool, and you know what they say about fools and their money. It blows my mind that some consumers would spend $8K on a feature without doing the 5 minutes of research it would take to determine that FSD isn&#x27;t here, and won&#x27;t be here for years.<p>I own a Tesla, and I chose not to buy FSD because in 2019 when I bought it, it simply didn&#x27;t work based on what I had read. Earlier this year, when Tesla gave a trial to all Tesla owners, I tried it out and was surprised at how good it was, but it still make bad mistakes, one time even curbing the rear wheel while navigating a curve to the right [0], despite it knowing exactly where the curb was.<p>The problem is that you still have to babysit it. And if you have the babysit a self-driving feature, then it&#x27;s entirely useless. It becomes nothing more than a party trick to show off to friends about how neat it is.<p>Autopilot is great. Love it, especially on road trips. But until FSD is good enough to drive my drunk ass home from a party and even park in my driveway, I&#x27;m staying away (and staying sober!).<p>[0] Here&#x27;s the curb it hit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;maps.app.goo.gl&#x2F;BLeqSywhXHRyf7a39" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;maps.app.goo.gl&#x2F;BLeqSywhXHRyf7a39</a>. With how wide that lane is, there&#x27;s no reason it should have cut it so close that it hit the curb. There wasn&#x27;t even anybody next to me.
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Veserv9 个月前
Still ignoring school bus stop signs as well.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;bradsferguson&#x2F;status&#x2F;1828031824158683439" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;bradsferguson&#x2F;status&#x2F;1828031824158683439</a><p>As it has been for literal years and has resulted in at a minimum one recorded instance of literally and knowingly running down at least one child exiting a school bus:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;tesla2moon&#x2F;status&#x2F;1770599114494898310" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;tesla2moon&#x2F;status&#x2F;1770599114494898310</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=_ZiSZbWIrzA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=_ZiSZbWIrzA</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Ly6Juveo-7Y" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Ly6Juveo-7Y</a><p>Reported by Tesla confirming ADAS usage as incident 13781-5100 in the NHTSA SGO database [1].<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wnct.com&#x2F;on-your-side&#x2F;crime-tracker&#x2F;tesla-driver-charged-with-hitting-halifax-county-student-who-exited-school-bus-troopers-say&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wnct.com&#x2F;on-your-side&#x2F;crime-tracker&#x2F;tesla-driver...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;static.nhtsa.gov&#x2F;odi&#x2F;ffdd&#x2F;sgo-2021-01&#x2F;SGO-2021-01_Incident_Reports_ADAS.csv" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;static.nhtsa.gov&#x2F;odi&#x2F;ffdd&#x2F;sgo-2021-01&#x2F;SGO-2021-01_In...</a>
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xnx9 个月前
Meanwhile, Waymo can sensibly move through a street with crowds of people walking around: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;TechTekedra&#x2F;status&#x2F;1828816255404687773" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;TechTekedra&#x2F;status&#x2F;1828816255404687773</a>
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gourneau9 个月前
With v12.5.1.1 My Tesla ran into a curb, I had to get 2 wheels and tires replaced<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;gourneau&#x2F;status&#x2F;1821005220190798038" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;gourneau&#x2F;status&#x2F;1821005220190798038</a>
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lacker9 个月前
Yikes. I don&#x27;t want to use this product myself.<p>Still, it&#x27;s worrisome to judge based on anecdotes. I&#x27;d really like to see some sort of overall statistics that compare Tesla FSD to other cars. Tesla claims their FSD system, overall, saves lives. Does it?<p>The Waymo statistics, I find pretty convincing that Waymo is safer than human-driven taxis. There are still bad Waymo anecdotes, and they should continue to improve, but overall it seems like a good thing for safety.<p>Tesla FSD, I just don&#x27;t know.
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greenthrow9 个月前
FSD is surprisingly good when it does work. But the problem, as I have said on this very web site for more than a decade, is that the failure mode is unacceptable. You have to button up all the nigh unto infinite edge cases to truly be fully autonomous.
caycep9 个月前
is this a technical or cultural feature?
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snapplebobapple9 个月前
It&#x27;s because it&#x27;s trained on real tesla drivers.....
spiderxxxx9 个月前
&quot;FSD&quot; is not running red lights, the so-called &quot;driver&quot; is. Ultimately you are responsible for what your car does, when you are in the driver&#x27;s seat. If you allow it to run red lights, it&#x27;s on you.
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f0under9 个月前
Curious who gets a ticket when FSD runs a red light?
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throw0101d9 个月前
Is SAE Level 2 perhaps &#x27;good enough&#x27; for most people, especially on highways (either flowing or stop-and-go), for now?<p>Comma&#x27;s 3X seems to be something that increases driving convenience for people, but doesn&#x27;t over-promise &#x2F; under-deliver on its capabilities. Should Level 2 be what manufacturers be shooting for when they&#x27;re shipping their 2024&#x2F;5 models?<p>(Though certainly strive for higher levels in the future.)
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sova9 个月前
...running them safely tho?
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P_I_Staker9 个月前
I love all the Tesla critics running to this form their complainy thought in hands. We all run red lights, repeatedly, we all run red lights. I&#x27;ve been saying for years Tesla FSD, better than racecar experts.