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Lady tasting tea

176 点作者 momonga9 个月前

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lr4444lr9 个月前
Wasn&#x27;t this demonstrated by the Royal Chemical Society that pouring the milk into the tea creates a detectable trace of caramelization of the milk sugar or protein denaturation due to the momentary high temperature on the milk while the tea:milk ratio was very high at the initial pour?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vahdam.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;tea-us&#x2F;milk-first-or-last-the-science-the-stories-the-slurping" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vahdam.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;tea-us&#x2F;milk-first-or-last-the-s...</a>
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mmh00009 个月前
Of course, any article mentioning tea, must include a reference to ISO 3103 — A Standardized Method for Brewing Tea[1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;ISO_3103" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;ISO_3103</a>
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zug_zug9 个月前
&gt; Thus, if and only if the lady properly categorized all 8 cups was Fisher willing to reject the null hypothesis – effectively acknowledging the lady&#x27;s ability at a 1.4% significance level (but without quantifying her ability).<p>Important to realize though, that failure to categorize all 8 doesn&#x27;t prove anything either. It just means this one experiment isn&#x27;t conclusive in itself (at 95% confidence).<p>It&#x27;s good to be aware of how easy it can be to get a false result by chance, but it&#x27;s imo a worse statistical sin to propose that not proving something is proving the opposite (a mistake I see quite often).
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m4639 个月前
&gt; in the actual experiment the lady succeeded in identifying all eight cups correctly.<p>:)
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jibbit9 个月前
&gt; upper classes pour first the tea, while the lower classes poured the milk first<p>this is because of the fear that boiling water will crack your best tea cups?
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zug_zug9 个月前
To me when I first came across this in college it was fascinating. I think any stem field should be taught about these statistical methods.<p>The power of being able to put an objective answer on any personal claim (e.g. mint gives me a headache) with statistics &amp; a blind design is a very powerful tool to approach fields where our science just isn&#x27;t good yet (psychology, health, etc).
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bikenaga9 个月前
And &quot;The Lady Tasting Tea&quot; by David Salsburg is a nice history of statistics; 29 chapters, a little over 320 pages. [New York: Henry Holt and Company, 2001; ISBN 0-8050-7134-2 (PB)]
codeulike9 个月前
George Orwell has entered the chat<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.orwellfoundation.com&#x2F;the-orwell-foundation&#x2F;orwell&#x2F;essays-and-other-works&#x2F;a-nice-cup-of-tea&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.orwellfoundation.com&#x2F;the-orwell-foundation&#x2F;orwel...</a><p><i>... one should pour tea into the cup first. This is one of the most controversial points of all; indeed in every family in Britain there are probably two schools of thought on the subject. The milk-first school can bring forward some fairly strong arguments, but I maintain that my own argument is unanswerable. This is that, by putting the tea in first and stirring as one pours, one can exactly regulate the amount of milk whereas one is liable to put in too much milk if one does it the other way round.</i>
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westcort9 个月前
Not mentioned here is the lady’s name, Muriel Bristol.<p>I have also heard that this is a different way with 6 cups. This matters because 6C3 = 6! &#x2F; (3!(6-3)!) = 20. That 1&#x2F;20 chance of getting all 3 cups right is said to be the basis for the 5% significance cutoff for p values.<p>Another basis for the 5% cutoff is the (even earlier) Poisson distribution, with zero expected events, 3 observed. In this case, the probability of occurrence by chance is 1&#x2F;e^3, which is just under 5%. In other words, the 5% p value is analogous to “3 strikes you’re out” because the probability of 3 uncommon events or exceptions is &lt;5%.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Muriel_Bristol" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Muriel_Bristol</a>
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teddyh9 个月前
The 1967 British TV series <i>The Prisoner</i>, episode <i>A Change Of Mind</i>, prescribes the milk-first method, as part of a general instruction on how to make “a decent cup of tea”.
xandrius9 个月前
To solve this debacle, I only brew my tea in milk. Much better taste.<p>I&#x27;d rather just plain tea than water tea + milk, it just seems the worst of both worlds to me.
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ngcc_hk9 个月前
Always tell this story how today stat evolve out from experimental design and becomes non-baynesian
nabaraz9 个月前
Very interesting. What are some other hypothesis, provoking random articles?
playingalong9 个月前
Berry. I hate tea with milk.
chrsw9 个月前
I heard about this recently but I can&#x27;t remember where. Was the topic of this tea test on a podcast or something recently?
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