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NIH cancels ‘Havana syndrome’ research, citing unethical coercion

151 点作者 jc_8119 个月前

16 条评论

jsheard9 个月前
&gt; Since then, at least 1,500 cases have been reported by US personnel stationed in 96 countries, officials said last year.<p>How many of those reports were after they passed the HAVANA Act, which grants significant compensation (up to one years salary) to any personnel who were affected by this vaguely defined condition with no known cause and no definitive physical indicators?
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kbos879 个月前
This is probably an unpopular opinion and I don&#x27;t know if it applies in this case, but I&#x27;m pretty convinced that a lot of instances like this are social contagions running wild.<p>Every few years in the city I live in there&#x27;s a sudden uptick in reports of drinks getting spiked at local bars. I&#x27;ve seen the mere suggestion that there&#x27;s a risk of heightened risk of getting roofied at a bar make otherwise intelligent people paranoid or start using it as an excuse for their over-indulgence. And of course, there is never any concrete evidence - nothing shows up in bloodwork, nobody is ever caught doing it... the chatter just eventually fades away.<p>This is obviously a different situation, but I&#x27;m weary of the massive scope this has taken on with so little concrete evidence that anything was actually happening. Maybe I&#x27;m totally wrong, or maybe it was a real phenomenon that many others hitched onto later on (seems even more plausible.) The point is that we seem to increasingly discount how much incentives and social dynamics play a role in situations like this.
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danbruc9 个月前
My favorite unexplained mass phenomenon, the dancing plague of 1518. [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dancing_plague_of_1518" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dancing_plague_of_1518</a>
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le-mark9 个月前
Apparently how powered radars are fairly common on US navy vessels, and injuries not uncommon from walking in front of them or otherwise being exposed. One would think there exists a body of knowledge on exposure to at least this sort of “high energy”?
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no_exit9 个月前
So last week there was a big Rolling Stone article bemoaning the CIA&#x27;s lack of mental health support, and now this with a similar line.<p>&gt; “They wanted us to be a lab rat for a week before we actually got treatment at Walter Reed — and at bare minimum, that is unethical and immoral,” Marc Polymeropoulos told CNN in May.<p>I wonder what the underlying angle is here.
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jmyeet9 个月前
My money is on some combination of &quot;comppletely made up&quot; to &quot;psychosomatic&quot;.<p>We see no better evidence of this than how cops treat fentanyl exposure. Cops act like if they&#x27;re in the same room as fentanyl they might die. This has been perpetuated in media. Thing is, it&#x27;s completely made up.<p>Fentanyl is no more dangerous to handle than talcum powder. I mean, don&#x27;t ingest or inhale the powder. There are no &quot;fumes&quot; however.<p>But the cops themselves believe this to the point that they report oversdoses in the field and have legitimate panic attacks for fear of exposure [1].<p>Havana Syndrome was suspicious from the go. Just the association with Cuba screams CIA psy op.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2023&#x2F;05&#x2F;16&#x2F;1175726650&#x2F;fentanyl-police-overdose-misinformation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2023&#x2F;05&#x2F;16&#x2F;1175726650&#x2F;fentanyl-police-ov...</a>
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Mistletoe9 个月前
For people wanting a refresher.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Havana_syndrome" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Havana_syndrome</a>
ungreased06759 个月前
I believe Havana Syndrome is one of the great government coverups of our time. In 30 years there will be books and movies about it.<p>Right now there seems to be an unnatural lack of curiosity about it from the government, media, and public.
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hatenberg9 个月前
Well, there&#x27;s this, but I guess much of the US press didn&#x27;t cover that.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2024&#x2F;apr&#x2F;01&#x2F;havana-syndrome-linked-to-russian-unit-media-investigation-suggests" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2024&#x2F;apr&#x2F;01&#x2F;havana-syndrom...</a>
SalmoShalazar9 个月前
This is quite obviously not a “real” syndrome caused by foreign adversaries. The physics, scale of “attack”, timeline, vagueness of symptoms, etc, all do not add up to a coherent phenomenon. Please put your skeptic hats on regarding this subject.
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BobbyJo9 个月前
I find it funny when people write this off a psychosomatic. I find it similarly funny when people claim a conspiracy<p>I find the skeptical view that it would have to be some crazy science fiction &quot;sick ray&quot; kind of childish. The CIA literally had a &quot;heart attack gun&quot;, and it was just a dumb dart gun with some drugs. It&#x27;s easy to make simple technology sound wild and interesting and impossible. A weapon of this kind would either be very simple, or not. If it&#x27;s an EM based weapon, there aren&#x27;t a lot of dials to turn, so either there is a power&#x2F;frequency combo that causes these effects, or not.<p>Likewise, I find the conspiratorial view that it definitely happened and there is some kind of cover up to hide either the weapon or some conflict pretty ridiculous. Partially for the same reasons outlined above (a weapon like this wouldn&#x27;t be very interesting IMO), and partially because it took place in Cuba. Its obviously a somewhat adversarial nation. Something like this would normally be a news story for a week, if at all, then maybe be a footnote in some history books at most.
macinjosh9 个月前
This whole episode was essentially a conspiracy theory that was taken seriously because the paranoid people who came up with it happened to be in positions of power and respect. Additionally, this whole milieu (DC gov&#x2F;media) just automatically believed it because they feel like Russians are lurking behind every corner. If an average citizen went to the doctor and claimed these things they&#x27;d be shown to the psych ward.
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nis0s9 个月前
Several comments are assuming the goal of the secret method is making someone sick. But as others have said, becoming sick may be a symptom of exposure, so the intended purpose is something else like surveillance. Here’s the problem though, this genie is already out of the bottle, even if something like this didn’t exist and the Havana syndrome is mass psychosis, someone I am sure is busy making a directed-energy surveillance mechanism because the “enemy may do it first”. Isn’t it possible to know what’s going on in the environment though, for example by using a spectrum analyzer, or detection methods for ultrasound?
aatd869 个月前
They have found what&#x2F;who has been causing this and just don&#x27;t want to explain what this is. Interesting, if annoying tech.
seydor9 个月前
This new conspiracy just deepens the conspiracy
caycep9 个月前
Meanwhile a bunch of neurosurgeons are trying to sell everyone on &quot;focused ultrasound&quot; noninvasive brain surgery!