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where's X/Twitter competition?

5 点作者 oxqbldpxo8 个月前
With so many smart developers and investors, after so long, why isn't there a straightforward competitor to twitter?

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codingdave8 个月前
Because it doesn't solve a problem? That isn't just snark, but a real aspect of competing with an existing product. To compete, you need to be able to solve the same problem in a better way. Twitter didn't really grow from being a solution to anything - it grew from being unique at the dawn of social media. So it is kind of its own thing.
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rvz8 个月前
&gt; why isn&#x27;t there a straightforward competitor to twitter?<p>Network effects are very difficult to build and retain and take years to grow if you are starting from scratch and 95% of these competitors found this out the hard way. (Post.news, T2, Spill, Hive all failed)<p>Threads remains the most serious and viable alternative to X (They didn&#x27;t start from scratch and used Instagram&#x27;s network to onboard hundreds of millions).<p>Bluesky was seen as a similar alternative bringing back the old Twitter feel and millions of Brazilians chose Bluesky over the others. [0].<p>Other than those two, the rest are just too small to be taken seriously and have shutdown or have not grown in daily active users and have around &lt;1M users using it daily.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;09&#x2F;04&#x2F;social-media-platform-bluesky-attracts-millions-in-brazil-after-judge-bans-musks-x-.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;09&#x2F;04&#x2F;social-media-platform-bluesk...</a>
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big-green-man8 个月前
Competitor as in what? What value add would a competitor have? What qualifies as a twitter competitor? There can be no straightforward competitor because it&#x27;s not straightforward.<p>Allowing opinions that were at one time censored, that&#x27;s Gab. Allowing one particular individual that was banned on twitter that a lot of people want to know what he is saying, that&#x27;s Truth Social. Of course those aren&#x27;t really considerations anymore...<p>Does it have to be a company that runs the server and builds the experience and the client? I doubt you&#x27;ll find a decent one. There are, however, <i>protocols</i>, and if you think about it, twitter works better as a protocol than as an app.<p>Independent communities that can block each other? Instead of one CEO, would you like to be at the mercy of many? Mastodon is what you want.<p>Are you interested in a censorship resistant protocol where you don&#x27;t really have anyone who can tell you what to do? Nostr.<p>Do we want to mention bluesky?<p>I&#x27;m personally partial to nostr, to me it&#x27;s the only thing that isn&#x27;t worse than twitter in some deal breaking way.
mtmail8 个月前
T2 did a long post-mortem on their company (ultimately failed) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;gabor&#x2F;from-t2-to-pebble-the-rise-challenges-and-lessons-of-building-a-twitter-alternative-553652f1d1e7" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;gabor&#x2F;from-t2-to-pebble-the-rise-challeng...</a>
moritzwarhier8 个月前
Seems that this is mostly hard because of the classical network effect and resulting monopoly.<p>The hard thing is not distribution of short text messages on the web, or even UI for that matter, it&#x27;s the acquired ubiquituous adoption in news coverage and public discussion.
TillE8 个月前
Nothing is going to be a 1:1 replacement because that&#x27;s boring, but the unique thing about Twitter was&#x2F;is that it&#x27;s a place where just about every person and organization of note has an account, from your favorite niche author to your local government to A-list celebs.<p>By that metric, Threads is now a serious competitor. I don&#x27;t like it, but it&#x27;s the alternative that a ton of people have chosen.
drpossum8 个月前
Maybe you need more than developers and investors. Maybe you need to convince a lot of people to start using it first for the network effect.
talldayo8 个月前
Mastodon works better than Twitter ever did, in my experience. I think you&#x27;ve set your standards up to be disappointed.
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fragmede8 个月前
The straightforwards competitor to Twitter is Threads. Just like Bing is a straightforwards competitor to Google.
krapp8 个月前
I mean, Mastodon has over ten million users. That isn&#x27;t Twitter scale but it isn&#x27;t nothing. And 200 million people are using Threads. And Bluesky... also exists.<p>The competition is there. You have to get past the premise that a platform has to completely subsume Twitter in every metric to be a valid alternative. I feel like we&#x27;re moving past the paradigm of the web centralizing around a few big silos anyway. A lot of people are moving to closed Discord communities for instance.
ClassyJacket8 个月前
There is. Threads. Also Mastodon.