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25 点作者 sathishmanohar8 个月前

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Andrews547578 个月前
In sticking to vanilla HTML/CSS/Javascript for my hobby projects over the past ten years, I've come to enjoy writing "simple" code with minimal dependencies and bare-bones interfaces. I believe that the skills I've learned in doing so has benefited me many times since then, especially during the times when I needed a specific tool, ASAP, for my job as a biomedical researcher. Without having the need to look up documentation, tease apart the workings of frameworks, I've been able to make hyper-specific web based guis for image labeling and more, sometimes quicker and better than the programmers hired for these jobs, who would otherwise need constant communication and supervision to ensure that the correct thing is built.
nayroclade8 个月前
This article seems like a wilful attempt to rewrite history by ignoring, distorting or inventing a lot of things.<p>- Web standards didn&#x27;t move fast enough for developers and users. People _wanted_ things like games, streaming videos and online shopping, which were impossible to do properly with web standard technologies for much of the 90s and 2000s. This wasn&#x27;t driven by &quot;big corporations&quot; and Macromedia was never a big corporation anyway.<p>- How have React, or Angular for that matter, &quot;failed&quot;? How are they things not to bet a career on? React remains the default choice for most web app development as it has been for over a decade now. And I still see plenty of Angular jobs, far more than are looking for web components, the supposed standardised alternative.<p>- Web standards are _not_ decentralised in any way, shape or form. They are organised through a handful of centralised organisations, mainly the W3C, which are controlled by their major funders. Who are, surprise surprise, large corporations. Yes, the are somewhat open to outside participation, but it still is browser vendor employees who do most of the key work and make the key decisions, with Google&#x2F;Chrome being the dominant player.<p>- Many, if not most, web standard technologies are invented by small numbers of engineers working for large corporations with no different incentives than those working on the technologies the author disparages. Canvas and CSS animations were created by Apple. Web components were created by Google. They were then adopted and standardised by other corporate employees.<p>- What &quot;churn&quot; have React and Angular really suffered? React was released in 2013 and has seen only one really major change — Hooks — in that time. Otherwise it has been a remarkably stable base to build software on. Most of the &quot;churn&quot; has actually occurred at the _community_ level, through the rise and fall of various open-source tools and libraries.<p>- The progress of web standards has not been the consistently slow but irresistible tide the author claims. Progress in the late 90s and 2000s was essentially nonexistent, being held back by Microsoft&#x2F;IE&#x27;s lack of interest and then the huge mass of users stuck on outdated browser versions. Then, once evergreen browsers reached a critical mass, progress sped up enormously, and in the modern era it easily outpaces the supposed churn of frameworks like React and Angular.
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lifeisstillgood8 个月前
&gt;&gt;&gt; Web Standards provide humanity with a shared communication platform that’s not owned by any single entity<p>That hit home :-) Great quote
echelon8 个月前
Web standards are great, but they still aren&#x27;t as good as Flash.<p>Flash was surreal in how good it was: a fantastic editor, language, and format for building and distributing hermetically encapsulated containers of multimedia greatness.<p>We need another Flash. It was S-tier and too good for us.
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mcphage8 个月前
Why did the author include Angular and React—which are just JavaScript libraries—and not include AMP, which is everything they’re decrying?
troupo8 个月前
1. It&#x27;s a very long-winded way of saying &quot;learn fundamentals kids&quot;<p>2. This point is extremely funny:<p>&quot;Every single programming language and framework in the world is the result of someone or some corporation believing they can do better.&quot;<p>... as we&#x27;re looking at web which is literally a badly-designed and ill-fitting mish-mash of things someone (and in recent years increasingly one single corporation) decided they can do better