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Young women are starting to leave men behind

32 点作者 johntfella8 个月前

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TacticalCoder8 个月前
Random anecdata: when I was dating a doctor back in the days, 71% of her class were women too (Belgium, city of Brussels, a good university [the one were FOSDEM takes place yearly btw]). Nowadays most of my doctors are women (another country but my GP, dermatologist, urologist [!], etc. are all women).<p>On the other hand there are some types of work for which women seems to have very little interest in: for example I have never seen a documentary showing a saturation diver &#x2F; underwater welder fixing pipelines where the person was a woman (nor a woman identifying as a man FWIW). There may be some but I take it it&#x27;s 99%+ men. Reality check.
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schmorptron8 个月前
I think any interpretation of this phenomenon that doesn&#x27;t include the phrase &quot;it depends&quot; is doing it injustice.<p>We&#x27;re now in the first time where the implicit (and explicit) bias against women in education, especially in STEM, is decreasing (but not gone!) and the way girls are socialized compared to boys (and maybe even some developmental differences and movement requirements?) in general seems to make them better prepared for proper studying and learning at schools.<p>There&#x27;s a discussion to be had if schools and universities are failing boys and men, and I think that might be part of it. If there are innate gender differences, and that I&#x27;m not sure of, the solution cannot be adjusting the schools to boys&#x27; needs again if it is at the expense of girls&#x27; results again.<p>I think the most important takeaway in this has to be: What do boys and men need in order to get to that same level, and how can we best provide it? This might be one of the things that can actually be accurately blamed on old-age patriarchial norms and their second and third-order effects.<p>As a man who&#x27;s currently in uni, this has sometimes been a hard truth, because knowing that I might&#x27;ve had it easier than others makes it pretty hard to feel accomplished, and makes it feel even worse when you fail at something or courses even though you should have the &quot;preferred&quot; profile for it, and that is something that feels like patriarchial (in the powerful-man instead of all men way) thinking being perpetuated and subconciously being harmful.<p>There are lots of female empowerment programs nowadays, and while they might seem exclusionary, especially when there doesn&#x27;t exist an all-gender pendant, I still see them as a net positive, simply because there is still too much social stigma towards women in STEM (that we in our bubble might not even notice) that that clear messaging of &quot;YOU are wanted here&quot; is incredibly helpful.<p>I like the ending thought in the article that this doesn&#x27;t have to be a zero-sum game.<p>Is anyone here more well versed in the topic? I feel like I skipped some steps in my reasoning and can&#x27;t articulate why
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falcor848 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;fNpSR" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;fNpSR</a>
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close048 个月前
I tried to look for an explanation for this phenomenon in the article but couldn&#x27;t find a clear one.<p>What&#x27;s the reason for this? Are women working so much harder? Are they intrinsically smarter more capable? Is this overcompensation from society trying to fix the pervasive discrimination from the past and forgetting the boys and young men, leaving them behind? Are men trying to &quot;ride the wave&quot; of advantages some may have had in the past without realizing there&#x27;s no wave?<p>The result is easy to guess. It&#x27;s what tends to happen to groups who feel ignored, forgotten, that their needs are not addressed in any way while others&#x27; needs are. The disillusioned flock to populist and extremist groups with the reasoning&#x2F;hope that if the current power forgot about them, the opposite of the current power will help them. Or they will resort to violence against the ones they think are getting the unfair attention. For whoever didn&#x27;t learn from history, extremism of any kind ruins the cake for everyone.
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bankcust083858 个月前
This zombie trope gets temporarily beaten to death in the media as a wedge issue every few months. Schools are sucking more and more selectively by demographic and generally for average Western pupils. Most people who read HN likely had or have access to private and excellent public college-prep schools. If not, then perhaps we need to steal ideas of French and Finnish schools, pay teachers more, and perhaps get boys to play outside, exercise, and socialize more.
0823498723498728 个月前
The &quot;Simpsons Go Calypso&quot; predicted this in 1991? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=93COkUCwqSw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=93COkUCwqSw</a>
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0823498723498728 个月前
I haven&#x27;t quickly found more recent numbers, but switzerland had a good experience from 2010-2020, and the following article claims the apprenticeship system helps:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.swissinfo.ch&#x2F;eng&#x2F;sci-tech&#x2F;why-is-the-drop-out-rate-so-low-in-switzerland&#x2F;47599820" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.swissinfo.ch&#x2F;eng&#x2F;sci-tech&#x2F;why-is-the-drop-out-ra...</a><p>&gt; <i>“The decrease in NEET is most visible among women, whose NEET rate decreases from 9.6% to 5.9% [during this time], while it remains stable among men (2010: 6.7%; 2020: 6.6%),”</i><p>&gt; <i>Among the reasons why Switzerland fares so well compared to other European countries is its good public education system, and excellent vocational training – its dual track apprenticeships (which combine training and vocational school) are chosen by two thirds of young people.</i><p>&gt; <i>A look at the table also confirms low NEET rates in other countries with strong apprenticeship systems like Austria and Germany.</i>
0823498723498728 个月前
might FT have picked this country set to confirm the title?<p>according to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eurofound.europa.eu&#x2F;en&#x2F;topic&#x2F;neets" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eurofound.europa.eu&#x2F;en&#x2F;topic&#x2F;neets</a> :<p>&gt; <i>The NEETs rate for young women aged 15–29 in the EU stood at 15.5% in 2020 and remains higher at 12.5% in 2023 than the rate of 10.1% for young men. The share is higher for young women in almost all Member States.</i><p>and globally, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ilo.org&#x2F;resource&#x2F;news&#x2F;number-youth-not-employment-education-or-training-neet-cause-concern" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ilo.org&#x2F;resource&#x2F;news&#x2F;number-youth-not-employmen...</a> :<p>&gt; <i>...the global youth NEET rate of young women doubled that of young men (at 28.1 per cent and 13.1 per cent, respectively) in 2023.</i>
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dwaltrip8 个月前
Ezra Klein: The men - and boys - are not alright<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;open.spotify.com&#x2F;episode&#x2F;1H1khmaQynRdMtCvxenW9J?si=NGTnupUFSBGpR7um0AwTog" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;open.spotify.com&#x2F;episode&#x2F;1H1khmaQynRdMtCvxenW9J?si=N...</a>
readthenotes18 个月前
Boys: Bart and Homer Simpson. Girls: Lisa and Marge<p>There are a lot of young men these days you seem to be sucked into the dopamine of video games that doesn&#x27;t seem to attract young women as much
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486sx338 个月前
My wife has significantly more education in academia than me. I make a lot more money. Should education be tied to financial compensation? In a free market, no. In communism? Probably.<p>Not everyone who is intelligent excels at academia.<p>Which is better? Arguments either way. Which makes a stronger country? A free market.
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mattlondon8 个月前
There are A LOT of female-only (or identifies as female) things (free STEM classes&#x2F;camps, apprenticeships&#x2F;internships, talks, events at museums, trips etc etc) for girls&#x2F;young-women in the UK. Even at work there are female-only networking and career development and placement and mentorship things. Boys&#x2F;men are not invited and are explicitly not welcome to attend.<p>Is it any wonder that all of this is leading to more opportunities and more success for women? Not sure why people are surprised that positive discrimination is having the intended effect<p>I am not saying it is wrong, but it was obvious that consistently giving special treatment and opportunities to one group while actively blocking access for another group would lead to outcomes that the other group would not benefit from when this all started a decade or two ago.<p>I know &quot;equality&quot; is now a banned word and is on the naughty list, but whatever happened to <i>equity</i> for young school-age boys and men? It is not the fault of a 5 year old that historically men have had things better, yet they are now being actively sidelined and actively denied opportunities due to the sins of the historical patriarchy. Somehow I doubt we&#x27;ll see &quot;boys only&quot; extra-classes and events etc at schools any time soon though.
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ackermavilla8 个月前
It is evolutionary. Who wants to put children in this world? It is not only the high cost of everything and relative job insecurity, it is also environmental issues and risks of war, etc., that makes many women not to want children. Then the next step is, not to want to be too associated with men. Then the next step is, to remain amongst themselves. It&#x27;s the evolution, stupid.
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