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How we chose and furnished an office the Y Combinator way

49 点作者 mlmilleratmit将近 13 年前

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mlmilleratmit将近 13 年前
As the Cloudant Founder (YCS08) that opened the Seattle office, I really enjoy the diversity of this comment stream. I wrote this post because I thought it would provide some insight into our company, and because others may find it useful. We have been exceptionally busy building product, revenue and team. After fiddling with the prototype desk in my backyard, we ended up with something economical, fast, ergonomic and flexible. You may say we have a "scalable" desk design.<p>A bit more about the desks, to address some of the comments below. We can move the desks around easier than "L" shaped ikea frames and have tried multiple positions. I prefer to gaze at a brick wall for focus, others like to gaze out the window or into the room. The desks can be moved in the center of the room and "stacked" like a big lab bench for group hacking. They can also be assembled into mega "L" shaped desks if you need to, say, sort through 2 years of receipts. Getting the height right was a big challenge, and we didn't scrimp on chairs. We also have screws in the feet to adjust the height of the desks if needed. Laptop heat is a non-issue so far, and they don't require coasters.<p>Per the bigger picture, I'm glad to discuss/listen on the relative merits of team building, brand identity/pride, and balancing running a surprisingly large global data service if that's of interest. We did this for many reasons, but a major portion was to have some fun in the (exceptionally rare) off hours. I would say that building something mechanical and getting the chance to do manual labor is all too rare in my life, and something from which I derive deep satisfaction.<p>Also, I can't say this enough -- we got a huge assist from friends and family of Cloudant.
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TwiztidK将近 13 年前
Typically when I see door desks, the whole point is to be as cheap and as quick as possible (ie take a big, flat door and throw it on some cinder blocks or makeshift legs). In this case, it seems like those in charge of furnishing the office were more hung up on the novelty of a door desk than any possible cost savings, so they spent way too much time doing things like staining and varnishing, etc. when they could've just bought proper looking desks in the first place.
_b8r0将近 13 年前
&#62; We decided to build instead of buy<p>Meaning they decided to procrastinate instead of working on their product/service.<p>&#62; we instead chose to purchase solid core doors from Home Depot (~$40 each)<p>Meaning they instead chose to spend more on something that wasn't designed to be a desk than an actual desk.<p>From [1]:<p><i>Ergonomically, door desks leave a lot to be desired. Keyboards were usually too high. Typing for hours could be uncomfortable. And those angle brackets have sharp edges; accidentally scrapping exposed flesh against those was a mistake that wouldn't be repeated.</i><p>[1] - <a href="http://glinden.blogspot.co.uk/2006/01/early-amazon-door-desks.html" rel="nofollow">http://glinden.blogspot.co.uk/2006/01/early-amazon-door-desk...</a>
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namella将近 13 年前
It appears you spent a little bit too much time worrying about stuff that doesn't matter.
webjunkie将近 13 年前
Seriously? Put most tables facing the wall? Who wants to look at a wall and have no screen privacy?
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Zimahl将近 13 年前
I'm not sure if I'd be all that happy hacking away on a door desk. It's too rectangular and even with a good ergonomic chair I find my elbows aren't supported with my keyboard. I've worked on desks of similar size and shape and they just don't cut it.<p>I prefer a corner desk with a rounded, concave cutout. I can imagine with a bit of competitive pricing I could put one together for less than $100. I'd probably go with a birch or maple veneer plywood and stain it to the right color.<p>To be fair though, I'm a hobbyist woodworker and a lot of people don't have the inclination, patience, or skill to build a desk. There is also little point in DIY if what you can buy can be tax deducted as a business expense.
jaytaylor将近 13 年前
All that time and energy you spent making your own desks could have been poured into your product instead. Just saying.
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laurajean将近 13 年前
It says a lot about the work ethic of a company when they are willing to dedicate a weekend of their own time to build something with their own two hands. It shows that the team can problem solve together on many levels, has common sense, and that they enjoy working hard. As an outside member of this construction effort, I, the "fiancee LJ", appreciated being involved in the start-up process because it provided me a way to contribute and be part of the start-up spirit. Why should my fiancee get to have all the fun? In my opinion, the benefits of this project (team building, original furniture, bragging rights, significant money savings) far outweighed what would have been gained with the satisfaction of a trip to Ikea. Thanks Cloudant!
brudgers将近 13 年前
It's hard to see this as the YC way of running a business. The CEO can make desks from doors and his girlfriend can create a floor plan in sketchup, but neither scales. Establishing potentially ongoing relationships with a carpentry shop and with a team of design professionals does.<p>This is a kneepads v. packing table decision:<p><i>we were packing on our hands and knees on a hard concrete floor. I remember, just to show you how stupid I can be -- my only defense is that it was late. We were packing these things, everybody in the company and I had this brainstorm as I said to the person next to me, "This packing is killing me! My back hurts, this is killing my knees on this hard cement floor" and this person said, "Yeah, I know what you mean." And I said, "You know what we need?" my brilliant insight, "We need knee pads!'" I was very serious, and this person looked at me like I was the stupidest person they'd ever seen. I'm working for this person? This is great. "What we need is packing tables."</i> -- Jeff Bezos<p><a href="http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/bez0int-4" rel="nofollow">http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/bez0int-4</a>
gyros23将近 13 年前
Well done! Wood is an amazing material. Don't not mind these comments about investing your time better. You did it right. A solid and comfortable environment is essential for a good product. Maybe good ideas were created at starbucks, but certainly not good products.
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qq66将近 13 年前
There's a team camaraderie benefit to building desks together, for sure, but if you just wanted desks you could get them on Craigslist for cheap. We got 3 extremely high quality desks for $100 total. (List price was $400 each).
rdl将近 13 年前
I've always done the t leg ikea galant desks (glass, preferably), with aeron chairs ($300 used, $600 new, IMO worth it), and now, ergotron monitor arms. Generic but totally functional.
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dannyr将近 13 年前
If this was a team-building exercise, I think it's worth it.
quellhorst将近 13 年前
Ikea desks are not too expensive and will have a higher resell value than your door desks when your company goes under from spending too much time making desks.
venturebros将近 13 年前
Is this a YC company? If not why are they so concerned about doing things the YC way?<p>Anyways I am just happy to see something Seattle related.
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rdl将近 13 年前
If it's not too rude to ask, what is your rent? I'm seeing $4.50-7 in Palo Alto for a range of spaces (it gets cheaper for huge space out of downtown); $1-2.50 for light industrial or office space in Mountain View, and $1.50-4 in SF.<p>I'd far prefer to be in Seattle (and love Pioneer Square), but I think I'm stuck down here.
Goladus将近 13 年前
A bit off topic, but this blog design is an example of failing at #1 from this recent post: <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4146888" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4146888</a><p>There's a link to blog.cloudent.com but not cloudent.com, which is where I actually wanted to go.
swah将近 13 年前
I like those brick walls. Bricks on my country are generally clearer and color doesn't vary that much. Do you know if that is some treatment on the bricks so they look old, or perhaps they are really old?
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swah将近 13 年前
If I could choose so, I rather have my screens facing a wall, or even better the front door. I just don't like the feeling that people might be monitoring what I'm doing. Anyone else notices that?
overworkedasian将近 13 年前
really? why not just buy a $99 ikea desk: <a href="http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40111124/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40111124/</a><p>if you add up all the time it took to sand, varish, cut, drill etc it would have costs so much more. time is money man.
dmishe将近 13 年前
How is progrid chairs? Maybe compared to steelcase leap?
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