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The Elite College Students Who Can't Read Books

55 点作者 BerislavLopac8 个月前

17 条评论

quacked8 个月前
This trend could be fought against by doing away with the (in my opinion) absurd practice of constraining school English classes to &quot;deeply analyze a few select texts at a very slow pace and then write essays on pre-selected topics&quot;, and changing the requirements to &quot;read as many books as possible and write down your real thoughts about them.&quot;<p>Of course for the select few students at the very top, it may be important to drill deep analysis, but the bulk of the citizenry will be better served by developing a personal predisposition towards reading and writing freely [0], as opposed to having someone prod them through facsimiles of literary criticism for a few hundred hours every year.<p>[0] (Edit: changed from &quot;... toward reading&quot; to &quot;... toward reading and writing freely&quot;. The original wording makes it sound like I want to advantage reading over writing.)
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aithrowawaycomm8 个月前
I grumble a lot about how people don&#x27;t read books anymore, and smartphones are an obvious culprit, but I wasn&#x27;t fully aware how educational administrators and policy-makers shared direct responsibility:<p>&gt; But middle- and high-school kids appear to be encountering fewer and fewer books in the classroom as well. For more than two decades, new educational initiatives such as No Child Left Behind and Common Core emphasized informational texts and standardized tests. Teachers at many schools shifted from books to short informational passages, followed by questions about the author’s main idea—mimicking the format of standardized reading-comprehension tests. Antero Garcia, a Stanford education professor, is completing his term as vice president of the National Council of Teachers of English and previously taught at a public school in Los Angeles. He told me that the new guidelines were intended to help students make clear arguments and synthesize texts. But “in doing so, we’ve sacrificed young people’s ability to grapple with long-form texts in general.”<p>&gt; Mike Szkolka, a teacher and an administrator who has spent almost two decades in Boston and New York schools, told me that excerpts have replaced books across grade levels. “There’s no testing skill that can be related to … Can you sit down and read Tolstoy? ” he said. And if a skill is not easily measured, instructors and district leaders have little incentive to teach it. Carol Jago, a literacy expert who crisscrosses the country helping teachers design curricula, says that educators tell her they’ve stopped teaching the novels they’ve long revered, such as My Ántonia and Great Expectations. The pandemic, which scrambled syllabi and moved coursework online, accelerated the shift away from teaching complete works.
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laurex8 个月前
Seems like the increasing push to rely on AIs trained on pretty terrible shallow data alongside the negligible reading happening among young people does not bode well for the David Deutsch hypothesis about our capacity to use knowledge as a form of species evolution that will be able to solve all problems, though it might produce enough gullibility to believe in such a story.
ChrisArchitect8 个月前
Related:<p><i>Hartford Public High School grad can&#x27;t read</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41699584">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41699584</a>
narrator8 个月前
Does anyone with any power to change the situation in the common core or whatever governmental department even care? If the rubber never hits the road anywhere with the people who have the power to change the situation, absolutely nothing will happen or the situation will continue to deteriorate as the same motivations and methods that led to the current sad state of things will continue as they have.
NoNameHaveI8 个月前
I am by no means elite, although I did graduate Magna Cum Laude from a low ranked state university. I found it nearly impossible to read. My mind would wander. A single page took me 30 minutes, and I often retained almost nothing. Never found out if it was anxiety, ADHD, or what. But somehow I got my work done and made it to 2 MS degrees.
marcodiego8 个月前
Many people now actually have difficulty even reading this article in its entirety. Quick access to information, easy to change from on thing to another makes reading anything long an extremely boring task. Why read the next paragraph if there something interesting just a click away?
renegade-otter8 个月前
Writers have notices this almost two decades ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2008&#x2F;07&#x2F;is-google-making-us-stupid&#x2F;306868&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2008&#x2F;07&#x2F;is-goog...</a><p>I reference this in my blog post about focus. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;renegadeotter.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;08&#x2F;24&#x2F;getting-your-focus-back.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;renegadeotter.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;08&#x2F;24&#x2F;getting-your-focus-back...</a>
superhuzza8 个月前
Perhaps the expectations on students are a bit unreasonable?<p>&quot;Twenty years ago, Dames’s classes had no problem engaging in sophisticated discussions of Pride and Prejudice one week and Crime and Punishment the next.&quot;<p>Reading Crime and Punishment alone is estimated to take about 11-12 hours at 300WPM. Then consider your average student is taking 4 or 5 classes per semester? If they all assigned that much reading, that would be 60 hours a week of just reading, not even including time to process what&#x27;s being read, or write assignments, revise etc.
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metaphor8 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;9NlT0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;9NlT0</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20241001121010&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2024&#x2F;11&#x2F;the-elite-college-students-who-cant-read-books&#x2F;679945&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20241001121010&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theat...</a>
bell-cot8 个月前
The article&#x27;s &quot;everyone is helpless to fight this trend&quot; tone is extremely annoying.<p>If the so-called &quot;elite&quot; colleges actually gave a crap, they could easily use their extremely selective admissions process to fight back.<p>Perhaps the author is a product of the system she is criticizing - so minimal attention span, and no ability to do critical thinking?
hindsightbias8 个月前
This problem was solved decades ago with Cliff Notes. I guess what they&#x27;re saying is even those are too long.
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daeros8 个月前
I&#x27;m going to go with as a rule if they can&#x27;t read books they&#x27;re not elite. Period.
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loughnane8 个月前
The article mentions screens as you&#x27;d expect, but it also mentions school&#x27;s focus on reading short &quot;informational texts&quot; like the sort you&#x27;d see on a exam that tests reading comprehension. I think that&#x27;s the main problem.<p>There&#x27;s no way around it: to be able to read books you have to get practice reading books. You have to be able to distinguish between the barren sections that you can go over a bit quicker and the fruitful sections you might need to reread. Above all to read actively.
talonx8 个月前
Non-paywall link <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;12ft.io&#x2F;proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fmagazine%2Farchive%2F2024%2F11%2Fthe-elite-college-students-who-cant-read-books%2F679945%2F" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;12ft.io&#x2F;proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2F...</a>
kkfx8 个月前
Oh reading here in EU it&#x27;s not an issue, UNDERSTANDING what one read it is. Most read fiction books and alike, but do not understand what they read. Let&#x27;s say you give Phaedrus, the Fox and the Grapes novel and ask about what&#x27;s the meaning. Most students will answers as a summary &quot;the is a talking fox yelling at some grapes ...&quot; and you can dig as much as you want the answer will regularly looks like an LLM summary.
Rinzler898 个月前
<i>&quot;If those kids could read, they&#x27;d be very upset.&quot;</i><p>- Principal Moss, King of the Hill<p>Mike Judge&#x27;s satire ages like fine wine.
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