Juno for YouTube has been removed from the App Store

This is the same developer whose Apollo app got screwed by Reddit. They seem to have a talent for finding simple ways to improve things in new contexts. Unfortunately, their improvements are typically of benefit to _actual users_, and the services in question would rather treat users as grist for the mill.<p>It’s unjust, and I believe it’s short-sighted.

I find it funny that at the time of this comment this Submission and this one.<p>&gt;Don&#x27;t build your castle in other people&#x27;s kingdoms (2021)<p>Are both on the top 10 of the frontpage of HN.<p>Also thx for apollo but it wouldn&#x27;t have mattered if it stayed active since reddit has plummeted in usefulness since the time of its removal anyway. I don&#x27;t see reddits direction changing ever at this point.

Oh, man, Christian, are you going to do Discord next? Because it’d fit the pattern to a T.<p>(This is a joke)<p>I was a huge fan of Apollo and genuinely appreciate your UX design and aesthetic chops. Please make something 100% your own next time! You have the name recognition and development experience to pull it off.<p>I can’t wait to see what you do next. Just… please not another client for someone else’s service.

A 15 year old bully reaches out to the other 15 year old bully and decide to take the lunch of a 4 year old kid.

I&#x27;m surprised that this app was actually allowed and approved in the first place.<p>Apple has an App Store rule against allowing apps or wrappers using an API or third party content without the express permission of the content owner.<p>Juno was likely given a pass by Apple due to the dearth of native Vision Pro video players. For instance, both YouTube and Netflix didn&#x27;t have native apps available.<p>Perhaps Apple was a bit more lenient on Juno initially as it provided their own platform with some credibility at a critical launch stage.

This highlights the reason why side-loading should be a right for users on the device they bought. Users get to control what gets installed on the device.

Yattee will always work because it&#x27;s using Invidious or Piped as a backend that you can even self-host<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;app&#x2F;yattee&#x2F;id1595136629" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;app&#x2F;yattee&#x2F;id1595136629</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;yattee&#x2F;yattee">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;yattee&#x2F;yattee</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Yattee&#x2F;comments&#x2F;13d3lj7&#x2F;how_to_set_up_and_use_yattee_to_watch_youtube&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Yattee&#x2F;comments&#x2F;13d3lj7&#x2F;how_to_set_...</a>

This is one of many reasons why we need alternative app stores.

Christian, you really don&#x27;t get a break do you :( Thanks for the great apps you have made.

First Reddit now YouTube. Christian is a talented developer, but his efforts are wasted building applications for closed social media.

Christian, if you are reading this...maybe a nice HN app as the next fun project?

This less an iOS App Store dispute so much as a YouTube dispute. Selig&#x27;s post makes it clear there was a process, started by YouTube, that took time, and the disagreement wasn&#x27;t resolved between them.<p>I&#x27;m going to quote here so what happened is part of the commenting narrative:<p><i>For those not aware, a few months ago after reaching out to me, YouTube contacted the App Store stating that Juno does not adhere to YouTube guidelines and modifies the website in a way they don’t approve of, and alludes to their trademarks and iconography.</i><p><i>I don’t agree ... Juno is just a web view ... that modifies CSS to make the website and video player look more “visionOS” like... Juno also doesn’t block ads in any capacity...</i><p><i>I stated as much to YouTube, they wouldn’t really clarify or budge any, and as a result of both parties not being able to come to a conclusion I received an email a few minutes ago from Apple that Juno has been removed from the App Store.</i><p>It&#x27;s worth noting that the YouTubes of the world get self-hosters to take things down too.

I don&#x27;t know iOS enough, but, is there no other way to provide this other than the app store? (e.g. like you can enable &quot;untrusted&quot; apk installs in Android?)<p>i.e., while there&#x27;s surely fat less visibility outside of the app store, is it not even possible to install such an app offerred in a different way?<p>(especially given the wording that it is, in effect, a browser extension)<p>along similar notes, is there a market for an alternative browser that is just extensible enough that you could effectively program useful apps on it and bypass such walled garden BS ... and does chrome&#x2F;firefox not already provide that?

This will continue to happen as long as the incentives of the platform are misaligned with the incentives of the user.<p>For ad-supported sites, the customer is the advertiser, not the viewer. The site will optimize the experience for the customer. 3rd party apps simply don&#x27;t provide a way to control ad delivery, so there&#x27;s an incentive for the platform to shut them down.<p>It&#x27;s why I&#x27;ve been pushing for&#x2F;working on a paid social sharing site, since at that point the customer is the user. It means the incentives are aligned, and 3rd party apps are a boon not an anathema.

I love my MacBook, but this kind of App Store nonsense is exactly why you won&#x27;t find me using any other Apple products. At least with MacOS I can install whatever software I want without Apple&#x27;s approval, and I can write Mac OS programs and Apple doesn&#x27;t get to decide if my users are allowed to run them on their machines.<p>But iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, and visionOS are awful wall-garden hellscapes that force me to use Apple&#x27;s store, or pound sand. This is a great example where a developer created a useful app in good faith, following all of the rules laid out by YouTube and Apple, and because Google didn&#x27;t like it (despite it not breaking any rules or laws), the project has been killed with no recourse for the developer or the users. There&#x27;s no alternative option to acquire this app, it&#x27;s Apple&#x27;s way, or the highway.<p>Let me write the software I want to write, and use the software I want to use, and get the hell out of my way.

Why not implement Juno as a userscript?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;app&#x2F;userscripts&#x2F;id1463298887" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;app&#x2F;userscripts&#x2F;id1463298887</a> is supposedly compatible with Apple Vision.

Put the code on GitHub and make it open. It’s a shame, and yet you can ensure it a I’ll get used

Bah! Humbug!<p>I use this all the time. Thanks for making it.

The risks of a derivative business.

What does this app do?

release the code then

Probably the same will happen to Reeder.<p>Fuck you YouTube to make a worse UI &amp; UX.

Time for Selig to build some original ideas instead of yet another wrapper around a popular service.

Is this for Apple&#x27;s VR thingy?<p>I take it this is for Apple&#x27;s app store and Apple removed it.<p>I thought Youtube removed it from Play store or something, so Apple is the bad guy here.