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Ask HN: Is Free Will an Illusion?

5 点作者 1penny42cents7 个月前
Given deterministic causality, where every event has a prior cause, it would appear that free will is an illusion.<p>While it may seem like we’re choosing our actions, determinism implies that this is an illusion: if all our actions are determinable from prior causes, then we are just complex machines. There’s no space for free will.<p>But from another point of view, this claim seems absurd. Even if the logic makes sense, the conclusion suggests a mistake. We seem to make all kinds of decisions all the time, and embracing the belief that free will is an illusion would require many social concepts and contracts to be rewritten.<p>This tension can be represented by a spectrum of beliefs:<p>1. Cynics believe free will is a harmful illusion. Because free will is an illusion, we only fool ourselves by embracing it.<p>2. Illusionists believe free will is a useful illusion. Even if it is an illusion, it’s a dangerous one to dispense with. If people didn’t believe they were responsible for their actions, they’d be less likely to behave ethically.<p>3. Compatibilists believe in a limited form of free will. Besides free will, physical causality holds. They believe we have limited control over our decisions, which have limited influence over our lives.<p>4. Idealists believe our will is more than free: it&#x27;s connected to supernatural forces (e.g. God). They believe we have more control over our decisions and our lives than physical causality can explain.<p>Which do you most identify with?<p>You can reply with a comment, or check a box on this anonymous form: https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;forms&#x2F;d&#x2F;e&#x2F;1FAIpQLSfLsVzKlIjFEOP30DD__d8sUP9fSXw9PJsPlyjAMkVhM8w9wg&#x2F;viewform

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xtrapol87 个月前
I would like to drive a nail in the coffin of “deterministic causality” by at least two mechanisms.<p>- In every scope there is a super scope which may influence in incalculable ways (however well their rules maybe understood.) Even in a model of the whole Universe, the base potential of cosmic background radiation (non-zero vacuum of void) is a non deterministic influence.<p>- ultimately radiological decay may not be predicted (a feedback mechanism of unpredictable external scopes)<p>There is more to consider yet these alone are enough for all physicists to agree that universal determinism is not actually possible.<p>Decay and the exogenous scope.<p>Everything in the universe fails eventually, only we may not know which part or when. Everything has an outside influence that cannot be predicted, even if that is how external decay will be involved.<p>These are NOT the basis of free will, merely an example of how determinism is a dead horse.<p>Free will is the “determination of resolve in the moment of now.” A different kind of determination than determinism. It is not that will cannot be coerced or manipulated or even anticipated (we are creatures of habit.) it is that the feedback loop in the mind is made of constructive and destructive interference and that may self reflect in unbound scalar ways.<p>What we think of as determinism is a blessing not a curse. Who wants the Earth to spontaneously turn to jelly? Or marshmallows to suddenly fall from the sky? We cannot function without mostly predictable outcomes.
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readyplayernull7 个月前
Perfect randomness in infinity will generate infinite deterministic sequences. By the anthrophomorphic principle our lifes are located in the span of a string that is experienced as mostly deterministic, and we understand it as our bounded free will.
beardyw7 个月前
This is just a problem of self-reference. If you focus on determinism and act accordingly then you are stuck in a loop. You can sit on the ground and call whatever happens inevitable but that inevitability is a product of your behaviour.
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aristofun7 个月前
There is no proven “deterministic causality”.<p>There is a free will that is easily proven.<p>I could give elaborate answer to your question, but I chose to give a short and primitive one.<p>You’ve made in the image of god and got a gift of free will. Live with it :)
yawpitch7 个月前
&gt; Given deterministic causality<p>Assumption of facts not in evidence, given open questions in quantum mechanics.
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brudgers7 个月前
Whether or not we have free will is not among our choices. It&#x27;s complicated.