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The Optimus robots at Tesla's Cybercab event were humans in disguise

117 点作者 achristmascarl7 个月前

22 条评论

wongarsu7 个月前
I haven&#x27;t seen the event, so I don&#x27;t know how Musk presented them, and whether he was misleading or just vague in describing them. But imho the headline goes to far in calling them &quot;humans in disguise&quot;. The headline makes it sound like they were literal humans in robot costumes like those in the Chinese World Robot Conference last month.<p>I guess we can haggle over the definition of &quot;robot&quot;. But they are <i>humanoid machines</i> that happen to be mostly remote-controlled - with some automation for functions like walking. If these aren&#x27;t robots then neither are Boston Dynamic&#x27;s dogs, and I have never seen anyone complain about people describing them as robots
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sschueller7 个月前
Since they didn&#x27;t disclose this, wouldn&#x27;t it then be fraud? Does anyone remember when Nikola rolled their truck down a hill to make it appear to be driving? The CEO went to prison...
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skeledrew7 个月前
Strange wording of the title, but no real surprise here. This wasn&#x27;t meant to showcase AI in humanoid robots, but how far along humanoids have come in terms of physical dexterity, IMO.<p>What we&#x27;ll see going forward will be similar to the vehicle fleet: the humanoid fleet will be manned by real humans, learning from them for years and gradually taking over various tasks as they become rote. Human controllers will over time be able to handle increasingly more bots simultaneously, until relegated to a purely supervisory role.<p>Just as with the latest Tesla vehicle update the driver doesn&#x27;t even need to keep their hand on the wheel anymore, but merely watch the road, and robotaxis with neither steering wheel nor pedals are now feasible.
allears7 个月前
That still seems pretty remarkable to me that they&#x27;re able to do such complex things via remote control (wireless, with multiple robots in the room). I&#x27;d love to see what sort of setup the operators were using, and how much the robot did on its own.
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jncfhnb7 个月前
Remotely controlled humanoid robots are pretty cool though, aren’t they? Like, potentially hugely valuable?
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gnabgib7 个月前
Discussion on the source article (79 points, 2 days ago, 82 comments) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41815567">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41815567</a>
transfire7 个月前
Well, duh.<p>I don’t think it really matters. The plan is to train the robots via telepresence. If that works out, no one will care that these demos used exactly that.
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loteck7 个月前
100% false headline. Where&#x27;s the integrity, Verge?
mvdtnz7 个月前
Not humans in disguise, but remotely controlled.
underwater7 个月前
The thing that takes this into scam territory for me is Elon’s comments that “we started with a person in a robot suit and improved dramatically year after year, so if you extrapolate this we’re going to have something extraordinary.”<p>This statement is deliberately worded to avoid making a promise because Elon knows it is effectively a big fat lie. To date Tesla have solved the same problems that others have already solved. You can’t extrapolate progress because what comes next are the really hard problems that no one has solved. Even if Tesla is able solve those problems, there is zero chance that they can move at the same speed. They have 50% of an autonomous robot, but the next half is going to take 90% of the effort.<p>This is the usual smoke and mirrors. Elon shows off a tech demo using incremental gains and falsely represents how long it will take them to deliver on a revolutionary product.
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dcmatt7 个月前
Still amazing progress! Such a shame that Sony and Honda gave up on their bipedal robots 20 years ago. Imagine where we could&#x27;ve been
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siliconc0w7 个月前
IMO the tesla event could&#x27;ve used more emphasis on how they&#x27;re going to use low latency tele-operations (&quot;via Starlink&quot;) to bridge the gap between where they&#x27;re at and full autonomy. That is at least a more convincing story for investors than yet another promise the current tech will be ready by 2027.
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dom967 个月前
The thing that I don&#x27;t get about the silly Tesla robots is that we literally had the same in the 2000s. It was funnily enough also made by a car manufacturer. It was the Honda ASIMO. Optimus is at best a slightly better ASIMO.<p>What makes it better enough to make it exciting when ASIMO stalled?
blastonico7 个月前
How long it will take until journalists call the starship booster catch a fraud?
ChrisArchitect7 个月前
[dupe]<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41815567">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41815567</a>
jmartin26837 个月前
The new disclaimer at the beginning of the broadcast was doing some heavy lifting throughout the entire presentation.
penjelly7 个月前
not impressed by slow, teleoperated movements and scripted dance routines. Best they showed off was walking, and that was slow and engineers guarded the bots closely to ensure nothing went wrong.
jfoster7 个月前
They all spoke with different voices. It was obvious to most people that they probably were remotely operated.<p>There&#x27;s several videos (in the article, even!) of people at the event asking them if they are being operated by a human. They said that they are.<p>The Verge is trying to manufacture controversy.
jampa7 个月前
It’s very clear that the talent that made Tesla great and gave the company the headstart is clearly gone.<p>One thing that the stock market investors don’t realize yet is that CEOs are not the most important part of the company.<p>The same “Shit of Theseus” phenomenon happens with companies like Blizzard which talent remains only in name and brand recognition, peharps would not be best to move on from expecting things from a brand name that constantly misses the mark.
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sktrdie7 个月前
My biggest beef with this is: why humanly shaped? Our shape is the outcome of evolutionary survival in an environment that is very much different from... a household?
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josefritzishere7 个月前
Elon is escalating quickly into a scam artist. I just don&#x27;t trust any of his pronouncements or products anymore.
tennisflyi7 个月前
Not surprising. At all. People, supposedly “smart,” eat it the fuck up.