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WordPress Doesn't Matter for the Future of Web

85 点作者 twapi7 个月前

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lolinder7 个月前
I agree that WordPress has saturated their market and the drama certainly appears to be a cynical move to try to pry customers away from the competition. I agree that future websites won&#x27;t be built with WordPress. But I disagree that WordPress and its drama therefore don&#x27;t matter for the future.<p>If WordPress dies a slow death as it&#x27;s phased out over decades, that gives us plenty of time to develop the next generation open source replacement. Given time, those of us who still want to have control over our web presence (which is a significant number of businesses in addition to those here) will develop alternatives.<p>But if it dies a fiery death over the next year (as Matt seems determined it shall), then the author&#x27;s prediction will come true—the proprietary locked-in stacks will welcome the WordPress refugees, many of whom will be businesses that will have soured on the idea of using &quot;open source&quot; if that means they&#x27;re subject to the whims of some guy they&#x27;ve never heard of and have no relationship with.<p>That&#x27;s why the drama matters. Currently 43% of the web runs on an open source platform. Matt is putting that short-lived victory for open source in jeopardy.
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dmje7 个月前
This is great HN fodder but IMO, it&#x27;s b&#x2F;s.<p>I think what&#x27;s being missed here is that yes there are sites being built using Webflow &#x2F; Shopify &#x2F; whatever. And there are solutions for landing pages, or simple blog sites. And yes, flat file stuff with a GruntNodeDockerWhatever deploy pipeline is always going to make dev types happy.<p>But this is missing a big old chunk of people - those with relatively complex sites with a fair amount of content (say, I dunno, 100-1000+ pages), the requirement to link between pages, custom taxonomies, custom posts, have custom fields, multiple authors, different roles, requirements on things like member access, an API, feeds...<p>I think you&#x27;d be hard pushed to name a solution that isn&#x27;t 1) Drupal (cos no-one wants to go there) or 2) Bespoke and stupidly expensive.<p>WordPress gets a bad rap on HN, some of which is warranted. But I also think there is a lot of hate which is unfounded, possibly from people who haven&#x27;t touched it in years and years.
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bilekas7 个月前
I kind of agree with this. The numbers are big that there are ~40% websites in wordpress, yet from experience everytime I try to do something interesting with plugins etc, theres a php shell on my server within a week.<p>It will be a great loss for some who are hardcore plugin developers, but in reality they&#x27;re in a far better position to pivot than WordPress&#x2F;Automatic themselves.<p>I really hope Wordpress dies off to the history books of the internet experience, it can be a nice play experience to quickly make a website and see some results for people learning, but honestly without its plugin developers it&#x27;s nothing. Another player could easily arrive and nobody would be upset. If anything this petty drama has hopefully expedited that scenario, I know I would be willing to support an alternative.
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LikelyABurner7 个月前
This article is missing the forest for the trees.<p>The reason why the Automattic&#x2F;WP Engine fight has become the tech industry&#x27;s daily soap opera isn&#x27;t because we&#x27;re all passionate about website hosting solutions. It&#x27;s because the ramifications for open source are dire.<p>This fight is essentially the legal version of the xz-utils supply chain attack. It&#x27;s a shock to the system that rocks the fundamental assumptions of open source to its core, here, &quot;you can build your product on top of open source and as long as you follow the license <i>you agreed to</i>, you&#x27;ll be legally fine.&quot;<p>WordPress.org could self-implode tomorrow, and that doesn&#x27;t matter in the slightest, because the good will of the legal community (if there is such a thing) that the open source community spent <i>decades</i> trying to build up is being destroyed by one unhinged man. Matt may have ended up doing to open source what Bill Gates wasn&#x27;t able to do in decades at Microsoft.
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macinjosh7 个月前
This post says pretty much nothing. Irrelevant to what exactly? It is all subjective. Wordpress is highly relevant in many markets and use cases. So is Cobol, and IBM mainframes.<p>What the author actually means is that WordPress isn&#x27;t trendy or popular.<p>The problem though with all these managed solutions is that every time you want to setup a new site you need to start paying a new monthly fee. Setup Wordpress (or any other open source CMS) on a web host and you can host as many websites from that one installation as you&#x27;d like for the same small hosting fee. If one thing takes off then dedicate resources to it.<p>Speaking from experience, many customers prefer not to manage their site content themselves. They want to hire a local person they can call and have things done for them on their website. These small web shops will always choose something like WordPress over say Webflow because of cost, control, and not having to worry if the investors give up on the trendy startup you tied your business to.<p>Open source still has many advantages over the paid services. But just like the Linux desktop, open source CMSs need to work on UX and on telling their story better.
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rs_rs_rs_rs_rs7 个月前
&gt; But then WordPress wasn’t replaced by an improved WordPress. Instead, fully managed proprietary solutions took over. You want to sell things online? Shopify. You need a landing page? Webflow or Squarespace. You want a blog? Substack or Beehiiv.<p>Unknowingly(I asssume) the author makes the best argument why Wordpress matter for the Web. None of those tools are free and open source.
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anoncow7 个月前
Fresh take. What could Automatic do to make things better for themselves? Launch a WordPress-related more easily managed solution with support for some legacy WP plugins? Sehr Interesting. I hate the ghettoisation of the internet, but the people will get what they want.
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jb_rad7 个月前
I’m not convinced that managed solutions are the solution. I say this as a professional web developer with a range of clients. Webflow tends to fall apart with complexity. It creates the illusion of simplicity. For example, a designer will update a component, not understanding the underlying CSS classes, and end up breaking every other components relying on that class. Even worse, trying to do anything sufficiently complex, like embedding a third party form, becomes a mess of copy pasted JS embeds. And forget global components, the edge cases make them virtually unusable.<p>On the other end of the spectrum are headless solutions with your pick of framework, let’s say Contentful + Next.js. While far less flexible for a non-developer, the outcome is a rock solid, repeatable, maintainable template. You can democratize editing much more reliably. Although, yes, you need a dev for every customization.<p>Different solutions for different scales I suppose. I’d love to see the marriage of these two approaches. Something that gives the greatest experience to both editors and developers. I’m trying to tackle this problem in my free time, but it is a massive problem. The more I work on it, the more I recognize why it hasn’t been solved. And admittedly, WP has done a decent job of solving it with its massive ecosystem. There is a need for innovation, but it’s a shame to see the baby being tossed out with the bathwater.
klabb37 个月前
Not a fan of Wordpress and have no dog in the fight but managed platforms are not directly comparable, neither on the provider or user side of things. And if we’re talking about the future of web, managed commercial players are working hard to destroy the web in various ways. Also there’s nothing wrong with operating in a saturated market either. This tech-centric idea about growth is so toxic I don’t know where to begin. Like that existing users are worthless.
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657 个月前
There will always need to be CMSs that are easy to use for someone to make a website with. However CMSs work through network effects based on the number of plugins&#x2F;themes available. And many developers don&#x27;t want to write more PHP. The future of the CMS will probably be a Javascript based rehash of Wordpress.
game_the0ry7 个月前
For anyone contemplating migrating from Wordpress or thinking about starting a blog, I highly recommend Ghost. Super easy interface and much lighter weight.<p>(I am not affiliated with Ghost, just a fan)
evbogue7 个月前
I imagine there is a growing group of tech-oriented folks who just render a bunch of markdown files in a folder into a blog using their static generator of choice.<p>If Wordpress can&#x27;t be easier than a static site generator then they are too complicated for their target market which is less technical people than the crowd who renders their blogs out of markdown files.
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glutamate7 个月前
&gt; IBM created PCs as we know them and is currently worth $214Bn, yet nobody cares much about them<p>&quot;Nobody&quot; except the people paying the revenue to support a $216B valuation. Hello HN bubble, you are all clever and innovative people and I love all of you but you are not everyone.<p>Also, I hate the future where the web is powered by managed solutions .<p>&gt; they are also dramatically easier to launch and operate<p>They are also are easier to get kicked off for no reason that can be appealed to a real human being
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henning7 个月前
Like all proper Uncle Bob Clean Code SOLID OOP React best practices 2024 websites, Webflow&#x27;s website scrolls so badly on my developer workstation that it&#x27;s hard to see what&#x27;s going on with their animated parallax bullshit.<p>Just start banging out some HTML and check it into version control for a simple website. Add styling as needed. Optionally set up website deployment to happen on commit to `main`. Iterate from there. If you&#x27;re going to have a lot of content for sure, use a static site generator. Solving problems you don&#x27;t have creates ones you definitely do have.
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openrisk7 个月前
&gt; they are also dramatically easier to launch and operate<p>Umm, profound insight.<p>Here is a secret: its even easier to have a social media page and vast numbers of digitally dispossessed have no other option.<p>What matters for the future of the Web is foremost the degree to which small entities will have any agency.<p>There is no doubt that Wordpress stagnated, but its conceivable that the future of the Web will be propelled in a positive direction by a visionary project that aims to be equally impactful and empowering.
4ndrewl7 个月前
&quot;IBM created PCs as we know them and is currently worth $214Bn, yet nobody cares much about them.&quot;<p>Well except they sold their PC division years (decades?) ago to Lenovo, so yeah, no-one cares at all about IBM PCs.
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DonHopkins7 个月前
Hopefully something not written in PHP will replace it.
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greenthrow7 个月前
I wish the title was true.<p>I was at WordCamp 2014 or 2015 where Matt was asked about improving security in WordPress and he literally laughed at the question. So, yeah...
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neya7 个月前
The scary part is he could probably be sued for using `Wordpress` in his title if he got into the someone&#x27;s bad books.
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softwaredoug7 个月前
Even Wordpress itself is typically treated as if it were a managed solution. Rarely does anyone think to untar Wordpress to a box somewhere. You’re instead going over to Dreamhost, WP Engine, etc.<p>Automattic lost out to these folks and now instead of looking at their own strategic mistakes wants to punish hosted solutions in their space.<p>Like many VC backed firms Automattic took waaay too much investment relative to actual ability to generate revenue.