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Medical student's apparent celiac disease responded to giardiasis treatment

232 点作者 BostonFern7 个月前

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dcx7 个月前
Oh wow, I have the first half of this situation. I went through a period where my digestion was so bad that it was affecting my ability to function from day to day. I didn&#x27;t get anything useful from my gastro; I even had a negative celiac antibody test. Eventually I started rigorously tracking everything I ate against my symptoms, and after a few months I was able to draw a strong correlation with gluten intake. From memory it was in the 0.7 range. The day I cut out gluten, a set of awful digestive symptoms completely left my life. They return any time I am glutened.<p>I was fortunate that over time I managed to return myself to full capacity, through reading a ton of research and running dozens of experiments like the above. But it was so damn hard. The symptoms reduced my ability to use my brain to fix myself. And if you&#x27;re not a careful eater, it&#x27;s not at all intuitive which foods contain gluten. This was also almost a decade ago while living in a developing country, so it wasn&#x27;t even apparent that gluten might be a suspect.<p>I&#x27;m currently based in the US - does anyone know how one might get properly tested for chronic giardiasis, as a person who isn&#x27;t themselves in microbiology? I almost certainly encountered poorly treated water in that period of my life.<p>Also - I can&#x27;t help but suspect that a nontrivial percentage of the developing world is living below their full capacity due to something like this. Neglected tropical diseases are a horrendous category.
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jim-jim-jim7 个月前
I&#x27;ve been looking for relief from abdominal pain, bloating, poorly formed movements, and breathing problems for well over a year now. It started right after a round of antibiotics, which strikes me as a very clear cause-and-effect situation involving some sort of microbial imbalance.<p>I don&#x27;t think restrictive diets are a great idea, because I want to stay healthy otherwise and ultimately restore that balance, but curiously enough, I&#x27;ve found that wheat might be exacerbating some of these symptoms—despite eating it without issue my whole life.<p>No matter how neutrally and deferentially I approach doctors with this info, I&#x27;m treated like a paranoiac for merely inquiring about certain possibilities like so-called SIBO. I&#x27;m pretty sure I&#x27;d get dragged straight to the loony bin if I ever mentioned parasites.<p>Sorry for making this about me, but I wrote all this to say: this guy is very lucky he&#x27;s a medical student. Even with similar evidence, I have a hard time believing he&#x27;d get medicine (and respect) as a single mother. The moment she whipped out slides like he did, they&#x27;d be writing an antipsychotic Rx.
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throwawaygluten7 个月前
Anecdotal, but this (likely) happened to me. For a year, my body could not digest gluten. My doctors tested me for celiac antibodies and all tests came back negative.<p>A gastroenterologist asked if I had taken anti-biotics at any point. I had: 12 months prior I had gone swimming near a landfill, gotten sick, and my primary care doctor had prescribed antibiotics (suspecting giardia). This final GI doctor asked if I had taken probiotics after my regimen of antibiotics. I had not. He ordered a colonoscopy (I think the prep process for that itself – a hard reset – may have done something therapeutic) and I was prescribed probiotics (viz: over-the-counter refrigerated Natren Megadophilus pills, refrigerated MegaFood MegaFlora pills, and refrigerated Bio-K Plus drinks). After the scope prep, scope, and two weeks of probiotics, I could eat gluten again.<p>I&#x27;ve shared this story with others but wish I had more evidence so that it might have been written up in a way that helped others like Anders. It was frustrating that none of the many providers I saw during that year tied the giardia incident (in my chart) to gluten intolerance (some instead made mild allusions to psychosomatic IBS) until the final gastroenterologist (my hero! I am forever grateful) but I can&#x27;t complain. Ever since that difficult year, I have tremendous empathy for those with allergies and intolerances, especially for those with celiac.
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mayneack7 个月前
So this is actually shockingly similar to something that happened to me. I did a lot of back country travel with sketchy water and developed something close to dairy intolerant for more than 10 years to the point I wasn&#x27;t sure if I had always had it. Eventually I got lucky on a test (for E. Coli not giardia) and the treatment was to go to nuclear on my intestines. That week wasn&#x27;t fun. Now i can eat ice cream and dairy with out trouble. I&#x27;m not convinced that test was related to the 10 years of symptoms, but the hard reset on the gut definitely worked.
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CobaltFire7 个月前
Well, this could be life changing for me.<p>22 year military career, avid backpacker, have non-celiac gluten sensitivity since the time I was deployed all over SE Asia.<p>I think I need to have a conversation with my doc! Thanks a TON for posting this!
miek7 个月前
In case this is helpful for anyone, two possible gluten intolerance solutions:<p>A digestive research center changed my life. My gluten-induced symptoms (inflammation, joint pain, diarrhea, etc) is linked to something with my gut bacteria. If I take a certain antibiotic that targets the digestive tract, I can eat anything for 9 months including gluten, without problems. After about 9 months, I can no longer eat gluten. And then about a year after that, I can&#x27;t eat corn. This has repeated 4 times. I always test negative for celiac and sibo. Side note: The doc told me some patients are cured by antiparasitic meds rather than antibiotic.<p>The doc is now using wellbutrin to change my brain-gut communication and amazingly it cured my corn intolerance and is improving my reaction to gluten, but not yet to the point where I want to eat it. I have 4 more months to go, so this may improve.<p>Lastly, I know 2 people whose thyroid issues masquerade as gluten intolerance. Consider a &quot;comprehensive thyroid panel&quot;
pazimzadeh7 个月前
&gt; Instead, the doctor prescribed him a cocktail of antibiotics, antifungals, and antiprotozoal medications.<p>&gt; “If my intestines were a warzone, we went full nuclear,” Johnson remarked<p>Is that giardiasis treatment, or just let&#x27;s kill everything and hope for the best? Glad it worked out for him.
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dsign7 个月前
&gt; Dr. Leo Galland, a doctor of internal medicine, describes people like Anders Johnson as having a non-celiac gluten intolerance from chronic giardiasis.<p>I would describe Anders Johnson (probably a PhD by now) as a responsible and smart young man. It&#x27;s your body, you must take care of it.
DoreenMichele7 个月前
<i>“If forty thousand dollars of student loan debt paid for anything, it’s to be able to eat chocolate chip cookies again,” he says.</i><p>That&#x27;s sort of how I felt about my student loan. Doctors who didn&#x27;t take me seriously as a mostly bedridden homemaker went full nuclear and put me on like 8 or 9 prescription drugs when I told one &quot;I took out a student loan for this summer program. I cannot afford to drop out.&quot;
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Jimmc4147 个月前
Very interesting. At the age of 29 I hiked the Appalachian Trail for 6 months and started having gluten intolerance systems in the months after. I have been since clinically diagnosed with an allergy to barley and rye. For what it’s worth I almost always filtered or treated my drinking water although there were some exceptions. I’m 52 now and still cannot consume barley or rye.
bsmirnov7 个月前
If you&#x27;re interested in this topic, look up Dr. Kevin Cahill and his work in tropical medicine.<p>Sadly, situations like these are far more common than people think. My wife studied abroad in India in 2004 and returned with persistent stomach issues. After seeing multiple doctors (gastroenterologists, infectious disease specialists, etc.) and undergoing countless tests (stool samples, endoscopy, colonoscopy), no one could figure out what was wrong. One doctor labeled it IBS (a catch-all diagnosis), and another suggested anti-depressants, citing the side effect of diarrhea to treat her constipation.<p>Someone recommended she see Dr. Kevin Cahill, who specialized in tropical diseases. He charged $500 in cash and did all the tests himself, including a sigmoidoscopy. Unlike typical practices, he personally examined the samples. After six months of suffering, we got a diagnosis the next day: amoebiasis. With the right medication, she began to improve within weeks.<p>Dr. Cahill, who passed away in 2022 (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;09&#x2F;17&#x2F;nyregion&#x2F;kevin-m-cahill-dead.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;09&#x2F;17&#x2F;nyregion&#x2F;kevin-m-cahill-d...</a>), had a near-legendary reputation because of his success rate. He was one of the last U.S. doctors to conduct tests and analyze samples himself, a practice that gave him a much higher detection rate for parasitic infections.<p>Ten years later, we had a similar issue. My wife fell ill again, and despite numerous tests, nothing was found. We went back to Dr. Cahill. Once again, he called the next day with a diagnosis—this time whipworm and giardia. I tested positive too, despite having no symptoms. Dr. Cahill explained that these infections can easily pass between spouses but often don&#x27;t affect children.<p>He lamented that modern medicine has drifted away from these hands-on diagnostic practices. In the latest edition of his book, he even published a study showing that major medical institutions only detected parasitic infections in about 50% of known positive samples. The main issue? Sample degradation during transit, disinterested lab technicians, and improper detection methods.<p>Dr. Cahill was critical of procedures like colonoscopies for detecting protozoa or small helminths. He explained that the bowel-cleansing laxatives used before the procedure wipe out traces of the parasites, leaving the doctor with an inflamed but “clean” view. It’s no surprise that issues return shortly after.<p>I believe that a significant number of people in developed countries may unknowingly live with parasitic infections, from whipworms to giardia to toxoplasmosis. A single instance of poor hygiene in a restaurant or undercooked food is all it takes. Ironically, poorer countries often have better detection tools due to reliance on old-school methods.<p>Considering AI&#x27;s success in areas like breast cancer detection, it seems like there’s a huge untapped potential for AI in diagnosing parasitic infections, especially given the inconsistency and difficulty in manual detection. This is a pervasive issue that cuts across social status, and many infected individuals will never know unless they get lucky with the right doctor.
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FrustratedMonky7 个月前
FYI. From article. It is an infection. Came here hoping for an answer, sadly don&#x27;t think this is my case. Gluten&#x2F;Thyroid is pretty hard to nail down..<p>&quot;Giardia lamblia, occasionally called “beaver fever,” is an easily treatable intestinal parasite, unlike celiac disease. If you’ve been backpacking long enough, you probably know someone who’s gotten it. Giardia is normally an acute infection that causes diarrhea, horrendous gas, and other intestinal malaise, but doctors can corral it easily with antibiotics. The chronic form of giardiasis is lesser known, however. The friend sent Johnson medical studies showing how chronic Giardia infection can cause celiac-like symptoms. &quot;
dataviz10007 个月前
&gt; But doctors never definitively diagnosed Johnson with celiac disease. His doctors wanted to do a biopsy to get a definite answer, but that would require eating gluten again, something Johnson wasn’t willing to chance.<p>How about this for an app idea? Does this already exist?<p>Use the app to record all the food consumed. Use AI to read restaurant menus, cereal boxes, ect. Give the user a survey every 1 hour. Make eating A&#x2F;B testing strategies, for example, have the user not eat dairy for a day, then not eat gluten, ect.. Do some calculations and figure out what foods cause what symptoms.
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spondylosaurus7 个月前
Wild. So how exactly did cutting gluten out of his diet mask his symptoms that effectively? Does gluten somehow feed&#x2F;provoke the giardia? Or were the dietary changes mostly irrelevant?
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ben77997 个月前
I&#x27;m wondering if the country he was living in doesn&#x27;t do an endoscopy + biopsy when checking for celiac?<p>He should have come back negative on that.<p>My wife and son have Celiac, and I&#x27;ve been tested that way after an incident 15 years ago a lot like the patient in the article.<p>At the time the doctors were absolutely saying they wouldn&#x27;t use a negative blood antibody test to determine a negative diagnosis, they wanted the biopsy.<p>I got tested for Giardia too. My symptoms started after a hiking&#x2F;biking trip.
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raverbashing7 个月前
Yes<p>People in developed countries have very little knowledge of parasitic diseases (ok, maybe only of tick-bourne diseases)<p>You wouldn&#x27;t need Dr House to diagnose tape worm in a lot of less developed countries.
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Suppafly7 个月前
Reminds me of a reddit thread I saw years ago where someone mentioned they got malaria or something while traveling and it was treated with IIRC Ciprofloxacin which also cured a bunch of other issues they were having.<p>The thread was full of people mentioning that random rashes or other ailments that they assumed were just normal to their bodies for years were cured when they took Ciprofloxacin for a different infection.
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itronitron7 个月前
&gt;&gt; the person has symptoms provoked by gluten, but they don’t have evidence of celiac disease<p>Sigh, it would be useful to know what specific tests for celiac were performed that came back inconclusive or even just stating what doctors consider to be definitive evidence of celiac disease.
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DebtDeflation7 个月前
Reminds me of the story of how H Pylori was discovered to be the cause of many gastric ulcers by a couple of doctors who, after consistently finding it in ulcer patient cultures, decided to test their theory by deliberately ingesting H Pylori. It gave them ulcers, which they then cured by taking antibiotics.
qbxk7 个月前
but why does chronic giardiasis present as or produce gluten sensitivity?
fxtentacle7 个月前
I love the quote at the end :)
throw3108227 个月前
&gt; No matter how much he ate, he kept losing weight. At one point, he logged his caloric intake for a college nutrition class and found that he had been eating seven thousand calories a day, despite looking sickly thin<p>Is this even possible? And- only half joking- if it is indeed possible, why isn&#x27;t there a queue of people waiting to get the parasite installed in their body?
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anonymous3447 个月前
I have this, how to kill it? I can&#x27;t go to doctor, because they are all so difficult in my country when it comes to things like this. Does ivermectin help?
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