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Mistake to take organs from a living person was averted, witnesses say

93 点作者 BostonFern7 个月前

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bb887 个月前
Humans have had a long history with trying to declare people dead and getting it wrong. Occasionally a dead body would be exhumed from the ground only to discover scratch marks on the lid of the coffin.<p>This led to inventions like safety coffins which allowed people to live until help could arrive.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Safety_coffin" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Safety_coffin</a><p>Today, we don&#x27;t need it inventions like that anymore, largely because the embalming process ensures the recently deceased are in fact deceased.
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metalman7 个月前
My father worked as a forensic pathologist and would talk about various things.... one of the house hold taboos were motorcycles they were banned,outright with the term of reference bieng &quot;donercycle&quot; especialy in areas with no helmet laws,young healthy strong people,often in pairs,who get hit in the head,not quite dead,yet.....,minimal intervention will keep the bodys warm and breathing,till arangements can be made in larger centers this will be routine,every day
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tessierashpool97 个月前
you cannot harvest most organs from a completely dead body. that means the body of a donor is often still breathing and has the heart beating, but the brain is diagnosed as dead. that&#x27;s why &quot;dead&quot; donors are even medicated and shackled to reduce disturbance by detrimental stress symptoms and even defensive body movements ... all of those of course being on the level of a headless chicken still running. at least that&#x27;s the theory.
ETH_start7 个月前
from: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independent.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;americas&#x2F;kentucky-organ-transplant-declared-dead-b2631194.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independent.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;americas&#x2F;kentucky-o...</a><p>&quot;In the operating room, Miller recalled the case coordinator phoning her supervisor at KODA for help once they saw signs of life. The supervisor insisted that the case coordinator needed to “find another doctor to do it,” Miller recalled.&quot;<p>Absurd. The supervisor needs to be charged with attempted murder, and the entire medical system needs to be restructured to change the incentives and accountability mechanisms. That something so clearly murderous can take place in a seemingly mundane manner speaks to healthcare being deeply dysfunctional at a systemic level.<p>Though I haven&#x27;t seen anything as obvious and cruel as this, I <i>have</i> seen pretty extreme lack of regard for patients in healthcare systems around the world, so it&#x27;s not just in the US.
ffujdefvjg7 个月前
&gt; Dr. Robert Cannon, a transplant surgeon at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, described a similar incident during the congressional hearing where Martin’s letter was disclosed. It happened at a hospital outside of Alabama.<p>&gt; “We actually were in the operating room. We had actually opened the patient and were in the process of sort of preparing their organs, at which point the ventilator triggered and so the anesthesiologist at the head of the table spoke up and said, ‘Hey, I think this patient might have just breathed,’” Cannon later told NPR in an interview. “If the patient breathes, that means they’re not brain dead.”<p>&gt; Nevertheless, a representative from the OPO wanted to proceed anyway, Cannon says. He refused.<p>&gt; “We were kind of shocked that an OPO person would have so little knowledge about what brain death means that they would say, ‘Oh, you should just go ahead.’ And we thought, ‘No. We’re not going to take any risk that we murder a patient.’ Because that’s what it would be if that patient was alive.”<p>OPO should be charged with attempted homicide.
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aidos7 个月前
Well there’s the trolley dilemma up close and personal.<p>I imagine those out there in the field have to think about this a lot more than the rest of us.<p>Edit: removed link as was tangentially related
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linotype7 个月前
Welp, time to remove myself from the donor pool if I “die”.
OutOfHere7 个月前
The OPO should clearly be charged with attempted murder and investigated for actual murder. Odds are good that they already have murdered people in this way, not only in Kentucky, but elsewhere too.<p>---<p>&gt; She says she became concerned when TJ appeared to open his eyes and look around as he was being wheeled to the operating room.<p>&gt; DONNA RHORER: It was like it was his way of letting us know, you know, hey, I&#x27;m still here.<p>&gt; STEIN: But Rhorer and other family members were told that it was just a common reflex.<p>Looking around is clearly more than a reflex assuming the person is not in a vegetative state. The person should never have been brought to the operating room in the first place.<p>If such incidents are allowed to slide, the next thing you know would be the willful, intentional, and preplanned murder of alleged overdosing admissions to facilitate organ harvesting.
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racked7 个月前
That is shocking. Unfortunately the article doesn&#x27;t clearly describe the chain of events. The patient was declared brain dead but later showed signs of life. Did the doctors resign because they suspected foul play - i.e. someone knew the patient was not brain dead but greenlit it anyway - or did they simply quit due to the trauma?
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dash27 个月前
I read this as &quot;Kenya hospital&quot; and thought, wow, that&#x27;s bad even for a developing country. But no.
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Mistletoe7 个月前
Hopefully this gets publicized to the ends of the earth so it prevents it happening again.
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zcw1007 个月前
If you want to jump into the ethics cesspool try taking a look into living donors.
throwup2387 个月前
John Oliver did an episode on organ transplants and it is pretty much a clusterf*ck: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Tn7egDQ9lPg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Tn7egDQ9lPg</a><p>It varies state by state but some of the programs are pretty bad, it&#x27;s no surprise that something like this happened.
perihelions7 个月前
I wonder if mainstream social media platforms would choose to downrank this story, and others like it. The organization in question (AOPO), that pushed forward to kill the drug-overdose victim and harvest their organs, cries that they&#x27;re a victim of <i>&quot;malicious misinformation and defamatory attacks based on hearsay&quot;</i>. Do the social media employees listen to that?<p>If highly-credentialed, national medical nonprofits go to Meta or Google and allege something is &quot;misinformation&quot;, is that an automatic &quot;yeah sure, we&#x27;ll suppress it and limit its reach&quot;?<p>In the alternative: if they look into it, and realize donors will stop registering if these news articles are widely publicized, would they go ahead anyway and censor true facts, out of utilitarian logic? That would be consistent with the ethics reasoning those corporations have used in the past.