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ARM's Chernobyl Moment

43 点作者 ezequiel-garzon7 个月前

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ChrisArchitect7 个月前
Related:<p><i>Arm is canceling Qualcomm&#x27;s chip design license</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41920401">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41920401</a>
9999000009997 个月前
I don&#x27;t think ARM has much to worry about from RISC V in the near future.<p>RISC V is neat, I even ordered a SBC, but it&#x27;s no where near refined enough for usage in anything aside from tiny IOT devices.<p>I do think this is the end of Windows on ARM though. To my knowledge ( I can always be wrong) ARM is suing over the chips ultimately included in WoA PCs, the Snapdragon Elite and Plus chips.<p>Once the dust settles, I suspect Qualcomm will just stop making those chips.<p>Or we live in wacky world and Qualcomm will be prevented from making anything outside of reference designs.<p>Mediatek&#x27;s time to shine?
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snvzz7 个月前
&gt;RISC-V was in disarray, fragmented beyond recognition.<p>I get this is satire, but still, there&#x27;s no factual basis to it.
xunil2ycom7 个月前
The article begins by ignoring the design faults of the RBMK reactor. I can&#x27;t take it seriously.
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mafuyu7 个月前
TechTechPotato (Ian Cutress’ YouTube channel) has a nice summary&#x2F;analysis video of this here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;j6kX7JWMiV0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;j6kX7JWMiV0</a><p>As well as a longer form podcast video with George from Chips and Cheese: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;live&#x2F;T20rxYUySPw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;live&#x2F;T20rxYUySPw</a>
dmitrygr7 个月前
&gt; Every customer (excluding Nvidia and Apple) is going to start working on RISC-V migration with vigor.<p>I am happy to take that bet, if the author is willing
pjmlp7 个月前
Another RISC-V advocacy article.
natroniks7 个月前
The stocks are not down so much today (Thursday the 24th), not beyond the general jitters the market&#x27;s had of late. But the fact is, this wasn&#x27;t really the triggering of mutual self-destruction. More likely than not, Qualcomm will be able to negotiate somewhere between their higher and lower rates with the Nuvia chips providing the axis around which the debate will turn. Ultimately, I thing, the re-negotiated terms will benefit Qualcomm, as I don&#x27;t see them getting worse. But how long the litigation will take and how hard ARM can negotiate with Qualcomm is anyone&#x27;s guess. For something better than a wild guess, we can look at how Qualcomm handled their modem litigation with Apple. Qualcomm couldn&#x27;t recognize a lot of revenue and therefore profits for many years due to Apple withholding payments <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;5&#x2F;1&#x2F;18525962&#x2F;qualcomm-apple-settlement-4-5-billion-dollars-patent" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;5&#x2F;1&#x2F;18525962&#x2F;qualcomm-apple-se...</a> In the end, Qualcommm received a multi-billion dollar lump sum payment AND Apple signed a long-term deal (this was back in 2019, so). Something Apple is still trying to get away from, by the way. I don&#x27;t think ARM has the financial firepower to withstand a trial as long as Apple did, which took multiple years - but even that Qualcomm may deem temporary given where they are now. The negotiations have begun, I&#x27;m not sure I would read any further into this move by ARM. As for the reputational hit against ARM, well, that is hard to measure, for me at least. But it&#x27;s an interesting thought. I feel like the relationship between ARM and its customers are something like TSMC&#x27;s foundry business. I can&#x27;t imagine TSMC even threatening to stop manufacturing the chips of Qualcomm. But TSMC&#x27;s other customers prob wouldn&#x27;t blink. And neither might ARM&#x27;s.