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Smartphone buyers meh on AI, care more about battery life

324 点作者 retskrad7 个月前

56 条评论

brianshaler7 个月前
I'd rather have flagship specs in a smaller package. The smallest in the iPhone (SE) and Pixel ("A"?) lines are still too big and tend to have previous-gen specs
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nerdjon7 个月前
My opinion is that most of the real uses of AI (like ML has always been) will be largely hidden things that are LLM based but not screaming at your face &quot;AI&quot;. Particularly once the bubble pops and money stops being shoved into things just sticking an LLM in a pretty package with little to no value.<p>Some of the things coming in iOS like notification summaries and similar features are big examples. It&#x27;s clearly LLM based but it&#x27;s not a lot of the shoving AI needlessly into things that we are seeing now and provides a true improvement given the notification overload that we have right now.
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chankstein387 个月前
I can understand why. Most of the generative AI crap we&#x27;re being force-fed these days is a solution looking for a problem. On my Samsung, the only really useful AI features they provide are erasing things in photos and upscaling. The generation is weak compared to even basic stable diffusion and otherwise they&#x27;re all fluff features and sometimes give me the same vibes as the &quot;Make Longer&quot; feature on Notion. As far as apps go, I really don&#x27;t need a chatbot in every app.
mondobe7 个月前
I have a hard time seeing how this isn&#x27;t obvious. 95% of everyday AI needs (for the people that even bother to interact with it) are covered by ChatGPT, and most of that is the same stuff that Google was handling before.<p>From personal experience, the only thing that changed when replacing the &quot;old&quot; Google Assistant with the Gemini-powered one on my Pixel was that it&#x27;s no longer able to create reminders.
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aiono7 个月前
AI companies are desperately trying to find actual use cases but it seems like there is not that much to justify current investment.
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agentultra7 个月前
I actively don’t want AI, on-device or not. But with the near monopolies on these devices there isn’t a way to vote with your wallet. We’re getting whether we want it or not.
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brtkdotse7 个月前
Never mind AI, I just want Siri to have better text-to-speech quality than my freaking vacuum cleaner.
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tstrimple7 个月前
The AI integration I&#x27;m looking for isn&#x27;t to make chatgpt like queries or generate images or find one of my pictures, but to control my damn phone at a much more granular level. Settings are often getting removed or hidden or moved around to the point where controlling your device is a nightmare. Some examples of deeper configuration I&#x27;d love to see available:<p><pre><code> - &quot;Hey siri, stop interrupting my audiobooks and music with Teams notifications.&quot; - &quot;Could you please tone down the number of audio GPS alerts you send me? I don&#x27;t need to be told five times before an exit that my exit is coming up. You&#x27;re interrupting my audiobook too much.&quot; - &quot;Why are you interrupting my audiobook again?&quot; - &quot;I don&#x27;t know why soundless gifs keep stopping my audiobook, will you cut that shit out?&quot; - &quot;Please let me use this audiobook app concurrently with this other app which has all sounds muted&quot;</code></pre>
jonplackett7 个月前
These stats seem like the reverse of the story in the headline<p>&gt; A quarter of smartphone owners (25%) don&#x27;t find AI features helpful,<p>So does that mean 75% _do_ find AI Feature helpful?<p>&gt; 45% are reluctant to pay a monthly subscription fee for AI capabilities<p>Are 55% happy to pay a monthly fee?<p>&gt;34% have privacy concerns.<p>66% have no privacy concerns?
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FireSquid20067 个月前
Man I really just want email, texting, and a web browser on my phone. More &quot;stuff&quot; to do is an anti feature for me.
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brailsafe7 个月前
Maybe it&#x27;s just me, but I&#x27;d prefer to spend less of my life on my phone in general. Seems like first-party integration of AI features is just a ploy to persuade me to use it more, since the appeal of novel apps or software features has long since died out.
rsynnott7 个月前
Today in incredibly obvious things...<p>Smartphones are an absolute graveyard of fads; remember the 3D screen phones, the phones with projectors, and so forth? They generally go nowhere. I suspect &#x27;AI&#x27; on phones will be similar.<p>Overwhelmingly, what people want out of phones is &quot;like my current phone, but with better battery life and maybe a better camera.&quot; Previously &#x27;faster&#x27; was also a concern, but modern phones are largely Good Enough.
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behnamoh7 个月前
I&#x27;ve been trying the iOS Beta 18.2 and here&#x27;s my impression of Apple Intelligence:<p>It&#x27;s not bad, it&#x27;s really really bad.<p>The image clean-up feature is utterly useless, and I think it&#x27;s one of the areas where we can clearly see the difference between a company for whom Generative AI is an afterthought (Apple), and the competition. I paid $1500 for the new iPhone Pro Max and a great part of the deal was the Apple Intelligence support, but frankly, I might as well switch to Android at this point because I&#x27;m really disappointed at Apple&#x27;s take on AI. I&#x27;ll probably wait until the official Apple Intelligence is introduced but tbh I don&#x27;t think there will be much improvements over this version.<p>And as for Siri: It&#x27;s as stupid as it ever was. I ask it to convert something from lbs to kg and it responds &quot;there&#x27;s no music playing&quot;. If anything, its natural language comprehension has degraded.<p>Currently, there&#x27;s no context awareness, so I still can&#x27;t ask Siri &quot;how do I respond to this email?&quot;.<p>Really, the only thing that &quot;works&quot; is the ChatGPT feature that describes an image you send it. Anything Apple-related is bonkers. It&#x27;s really embarrassing.
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tracerbulletx7 个月前
For it to have value they need to effectively apply it for something useful and have it be reliable, not just go hey we have llms. like if i could say siri share my location with my wife and text her &quot;im on my way&quot; oh and send her a pic of what im looking at through my sunglasses. And it worked 99% of the time, and could figure out to do it through google maps because she has android, that would be great.
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notatoad7 个月前
The phone manufacturers have to know this, right? they&#x27;ve got market surveys and focus groups and internal dogfooding programs. they all know that a half-baked chatbot experience is going to sell zero phones.<p>All this AI marketing push has got to be because they think investors are stupid, and they can fool the market into thinking they&#x27;re doing an AI.
lopkeny12ko7 个月前
At this point I would pay a premium to have replaceable batteries again.
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JadeNB7 个月前
What surprises me about the story is how <i>weak</i> the effect is, which is stripped by the title mangler: only 25% of users report not finding AI features helpful.
mouse_7 个月前
I would pay extra to -not- have AI in my phone. AI belongs on mainframes, out of my way when I don&#x27;t want it.
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AdamN7 个月前
AI is a means to an end - it&#x27;s the end that people want (or don&#x27;t want). For example people like fast and accurate spell check - they don&#x27;t care whether AI did it or not.
alexashka7 个月前
There&#x27;s a fundamental tension between what customers want and what providers want.<p>Providers want to drip feed and charge for &#x27;improvements&#x27; indefinitely.<p>AI is the next drip feed.
aithrowawaycomm7 个月前
It has been especially frustrating to read about Apple Intelligence on my 2022 iPhone with iOS Safari, where some JavaScript bugs that have been around since 2012 seem to be slightly worse in the latest update, and occasionally the entire app just freezes for no good reason, even if I&#x27;ve closed all other tabs. Not to mention how often I have to reset my entire 2021 iPad because the audio drivers get into a bad state.<p>I suppose &quot;stability improvements in WebKit&quot; doesn&#x27;t do much for Apple&#x27;s stock price compared to SiriGPT. But this is feeling like death-by-1000-cuts: I don&#x27;t think users are deeply committed to Apple UX&#x2F;etc. I believe Apple&#x27;s US market dominance is largely due to burnt fingers around Android&#x27;s unreliability and annoyances between 2010-2020 (e.g. Google and Samsung not playing nice, badly orchestrated version changes). This was never a permanent state of affairs; Android has stabilized significantly and is more harmonized among competing manufacturers, while retaining its advantages on price and ease of development.<p>Apple seems complacent on the basics, and is overextending into an AI product few users seem to want.
ipsum27 个月前
People think of chatGPT now when they hear AI, but for on-device its more like speech recognition, image keyword search, and keyboard next word prediction.
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zomg7 个月前
what&#x27;s a realistic use case for ai on a mobile phone? i have yet to find myself saying &quot;gee, if only i had ai on my phone, i could do XYZ!&quot;
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arnaudsm7 个月前
I calculated and found almost no correlation (r=0.2) between battery life and price. Which is quite sad considering it&#x27;s the most important feature to consumers.<p>Here&#x27;s my write-up alongside some interesting dataviz : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;picked.arnaud.at&#x2F;news&#x2F;smartphone-data-science" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;picked.arnaud.at&#x2F;news&#x2F;smartphone-data-science</a>
rcarmo7 个月前
Zero surprises here. I work with AI daily and am on the same boat.
drivingmenuts7 个月前
In re: AI on my phone - it&#x27;s sort of interesting, but really not worth having because it&#x27;s not smart enough nor capable of being smart enough. It lacks &quot;judgement&quot;, which is what I really needs, instead of slavish attention to detail coupled with hallucinations.
racl1017 个月前
I could not care less about AI on my phone. I don&#x27;t want to learn to use it nor do I want to give it free reign over my content. If I can disable it on any smartphone I own I will.<p>Of course, aside from checking email and calendar I don&#x27;t do a lot of work from my phone.
itronitron7 个月前
If AI makes some &#x27;thing&#x27; look easy, then that &#x27;thing&#x27; starts to look cheap.
Syonyk7 个月前
&gt; <i>The biggest motivation for US adult smartphone owners to upgrade their devices is longer battery life (61%)...</i><p>Battery replacements are a thing. They&#x27;re apparently not a common thing, unfortunately, because that might impact new phone sales... and even on devices where it&#x27;s trivial, people don&#x27;t seem to do it. A decade ago or so I was doing a lot of Nexus 5 battery swaps for people because one of the battery OEMs was shipping junk and the batteries were shot in a year.<p>I really wish OEMs would put bigger batteries in phones. It improves everything. Not only do you get longer initial battery life, you can handle far more &quot;battery aging&quot; before things stop working right. You still have a day&#x27;s battery life (which I expect is what most people actually mean - they want their phone to last the day without thinking about it) even with capacity loss, and a larger battery can have more internal resistance increase (another factor of battery aging) before it sags too badly under the load to keep voltage up.<p>Based on the fact that easily 90+% of phones I see in the wild have cases on them, physical size and thickness isn&#x27;t a big factor (and those newer folding screen devices are massive when folded). Another few mm doesn&#x27;t matter when phones live in purses, men&#x27;s pockets, or jackets.<p>... or just go back to a modern flip phone sort of device, get a week and a half battery life, and stop worrying about remembering to charge your phone. ;)
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6gvONxR4sf7o7 个月前
The only AI thing that excites me on my phone is a battery-friendly way for app developers to run ML models. I don&#x27;t want an AI assistant that sees everything that i do, but some things like computer vision and translation and OCR are handy to have a super efficient coprocessor for, and I could see interesting apps <i>using</i> ML increasingly. But that&#x27;s kind of a second order thing. I&#x27;m sure apple and them are also trying to figure out how to also let app devs use their strongest foundation models too without every app wanting to download 100GB of weights.
Someone7 个月前
Do buyers even know what features are there because of “AI”?<p>For example, on iOS, you can copy text out of photos (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.apple.com&#x2F;en-ph&#x2F;120004" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.apple.com&#x2F;en-ph&#x2F;120004</a>), you can search for photos without entering key words (not that well yet, in my experience, but the results are better than no results), predictive typing apparently uses a language model, modern camera apps do zillions of things to make photos look better, etc.<p>Neither of those are killer apps, but each does make the device a little bit better.
notpushkin7 个月前
Headsup: CNET is one of those sites playing videos (maybe relevant, maybe not) <i>even on mobile</i>. Be prepared to kill it if you&#x27;re on metered plan (uBlock Origin can do that on Firefox for Android).
EasyMark7 个月前
“Turn off the local AI and let me have that extra power” . I think that’s what most people think. I certainly use AI for some tasks, but I don’t need AI everywhere 24&#x2F;7 in my pocket.
rishikeshs7 个月前
Why can’t they make smaller phones?
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pjmlp7 个月前
Of course, they are gimmicks to attempt to sell new phones, now that the market has stagnated, many folks even have two or more phones, and hardly need fancy features.
ryandrake7 个月前
AI is a technology, not a product feature. I don&#x27;t care about the underlying technology in my products, I care what they do for me. As long as the feature is great, I don&#x27;t care if it&#x27;s made with traditional algorithms, AI, or literal magic--it doesn&#x27;t matter!<p>This idea that customers want AI is like saying that customers want applications written in Python. Why would they care what&#x27;s behind the curtain?
CharlieDigital7 个月前
I think the mistake a lot of companies are making with their approach to AI is making AI some &quot;other&quot; interface that you have to interact with explicitly. This chat bot approach is only one paradigm for using AI and it&#x27;s probably the worst one in most use cases.<p>Amazon Rufus, for example, falls into this category and it&#x27;s hard to even remember to engage with it. On the other hand, Amazon is happy to serve me absolute trash search results.<p>What most people probably want is an AI that can, for example, help organize their calendar transparently. Have a meeting coming up with a client? What if the AI can use tools to go find the latest info about the client? Check their LinkedIn, check their X, check their blog, research their company, give you a tear sheet on topics to discuss based on this in the calendar notes. If a user has to directly interact and instruct the AI, it feels like it defeats the purpose.
jdalgetty7 个月前
We&#x27;ll care more about AI when it&#x27;s better.
wruza7 个月前
Everyone sees through a stupid lifestyle theater instantly.<p>Life isn’t just driving around taking filtered selfies and finding friends faces in albums.<p>If phones didn’t suck, advanced functions would already be there without “ai”. But they lack any sensible integrations beyond the marketed scenes where clueless people are playing particular job, live and hobby moments.
eleveriven7 个月前
We’re in an era of &quot;subscription fatigue&quot; and smartphone makers adding another monthly fee could be a tough sell
unsignedint7 个月前
I’m all for AI—if it actually does something useful. But features like swiping to remove unwanted items or ensuring everyone smiles in a photo don’t count. For anything genuinely useful, I’d rather subscribe to an AI service separately than pay a premium to have it locked to my phone. I want access from my PC too.
astrodude7 个月前
This makes sense, AI is a new phenomena and most people aren&#x27;t using it on their phones as much as they use SM apps, camera. Battery life is one of the major reasons why people upgrade their phone (believe it or not, many don&#x27;t just replace their battery)
sidewndr467 个月前
This can&#x27;t be right. I&#x27;ve been hearing about how great AI is for the past year now. It couldn&#x27;t be that media outlets just report on whatever they think will generate the most revenue.
jmugan7 个月前
I still can&#x27;t control my iPhone with my voice in the car. Siri doesn&#x27;t work well for me. Maybe there is another way I have missed, but I&#x27;m amazed this functionality is still lacking.
ricardobeat7 个月前
A bit of a chicken and egg problem, isn’t it? Since really useful AI feature’s don’t really exist yet, why would one expect the general public to want it?<p>Check again in six months.
mbowcut27 个月前
Making things easier to google is IMO the least-impressive use of LLMs. I&#x27;m still waiting for a Roomba I can have a conversation with.
jdlyga7 个月前
GPT-4o is helpful, and so is NotebookLM. The problem is that &quot;AI&quot; features built into a lot of products aren&#x27;t that useful.
octacat7 个月前
make 5 days battery life - would be real life changing innovations. AI? meeaah? what for? We already have AI for filters like for ages :)
kartoshechka7 个月前
the most useful ML feature for me is text recognition on photos, helps to copy phone numbers and such
varispeed7 个月前
Every time a company shoves AI into their product I see the won&#x27;t eat cereal meme.
lexicality7 个月前
The foldable phone thing later in the article is fun, because I actually do want a foldable phone. I&#x27;d love to have a smaller phone with a screen that gets bigger for things like watching movies while traveling.<p>But the thing is, before buying one I borrowed one from a friend and it was absolute shit! The software hardly worked, the hinges felt horrible to open and it was still too big even when folded up. I thought I was going to break it constantly while holding it.
Closi7 个月前
It&#x27;s because current AI is meh on a phone.<p>Once someone manages to combine Siri&#x27;s phone integration + ChatGPT Voice mode and it runs locally I will be <i>very</i> interested. Until then, I&#x27;m a bit <i>meh</i> on it.
hydrogen78007 个月前
With all the AI marketing for new phones, I keep yelling to myself &quot;Nobody is asking for this!!&quot; But maybe I&#x27;m in a minority group of what I consider &quot;nobody&quot;.
yungporko7 个月前
i think the vast majority of all people are meh on AI. i&#x27;ve only ever seen programmers (and grifters of course) get excited about it.
FriedPickles7 个月前
Horse buyers meh on cars, care more about faster horses
jeffbee7 个月前
Alternate hed: 99% of smartphone buyers have no idea which features are supported by machine inference.
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