Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris

All: when commenting, please stick to <i>this</i> story, and don&#x27;t do flamewar or generic electoral battle as that&#x27;s not what the site is for.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html</a>

Newspapers publish opinions for the same reason that they publish comic strips: people want to read them. Readers seek them out. Newspapers are a business and have to give their customers what they want.<p>The problematic aspect here is that the current business owner, Jeff Bezos, has a conflict of interest. Bezos is making a bad business decision for The Washington Post, sacrificing it and losing readers for the sake of his other business interests, i.e., government contracts. It&#x27;s unlikely that an independent owner with no conflict of interest would make the same decision.

To play Devils Advocate for a moment: Why do we need, or even want, a newspaper to endorse a President? How does it not undermine a paper&#x27;s journalistic ethics to be neutral and fair?

Let’s zoom out from the present election and remember how Bezos took over…<p>The first thing he said was “The paper’s duty will remain to its readers and not to the private interests of its owners.”<p>We, the readers, should require an apology from Bezos for breaking his promise to keep this separate from his other concerns.<p>Until that happens, one must assume that WaPo is permanently compromised in the favor of Bezos’s interests.<p>It’s not about Kamala, it’s about literally everything.

The Venn diagram of those who&#x27;d be influenced by a WaPo endorsement and committed Kamala Harris voters is a perfect intersection. For 50 years, WaPo has endorsed the democratic candidate [1] for president. No mystery here. It&#x27;s a pointless endorsement.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;noahveltman.com&#x2F;endorsements&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;noahveltman.com&#x2F;endorsements&#x2F;</a>

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.semafor.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;10&#x2F;25&#x2F;2024&#x2F;editor-resign-subscribers-cancel-as-washington-post-non-endorsement-prompts-crisis-at-bezos-paper" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.semafor.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;10&#x2F;25&#x2F;2024&#x2F;editor-resign-sub...</a>

Well, I guess now democracy dies in <i>anticipation of</i> darkness.

So many times HN posters have extolled how Bezos hasn&#x27;t interfered with the WaPo and those of us who expressed concern about his purchase were chicken littles. It has never been true and it&#x27;s plain as day now. He bought it for the same reason Musk bought Twitter. To have control over a media outlet he values.

Is anyone really changing their mind based on some newspaper endorsement? I’m pretty sure everyone knows who they’re gonna vote for at this point.

I like that many people here have speculated that Bezos simply wants to avoid the ire of a possible Trump administration. This is very charitable, so much so that it ignores another reasonable guess a person could make based off of the same objective information that we all have — that this action is an endorsement, and the person that chose to endorse a candidate did so because he wants them to win.<p>On one hand you can imagine that Bezos somehow wants a Harris presidency but doesn’t want to appear that way out of fear, but that sounds more fantastical and wishful than “The guy whose company is currently trying to wholesale eliminate the National Labor Relations Board(1) likes Trump’s policies and wants him to win”, especially when you think about what’s going on with the <i>other guy</i>(2) that’s trying to destroy the NLRB.<p>Sometimes when people indicate they want something to happen it is because they want that thing to happen.<p>1<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;amazon-joins-companies-arguing-us-labor-board-is-unconstitutional-2024-02-16&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;amazon-joins-companies-ar...</a><p>2<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gizmodo.com&#x2F;elon-musk-leaps-into-the-meme-history-books-at-trump-rally-2000508235" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gizmodo.com&#x2F;elon-musk-leaps-into-the-meme-history-bo...</a>

Endorsements have never been without the blessing and influence of the owner of that paper or institution. The extent that an owner lets the editorial team pick an endorsement is the same extent to which they align philosophically. It&#x27;s an illusion of choice or independence.<p>If papers were meant to be more neutral, I suppose they would need to be owned as cooperatives by the subscribers themselves, assuming the subscribers were balanced and philosophically diverse.

It is ironic because Washington Post is the most left leaning of all major news paper. Their endorsement is really a no-op, because there is really only one candidate they could ever consider.

If the Post endorsed Harris but then added an addendum that this was the last election they’d be endorsing, this would make sense and seem a lot more impartial to a now 40-year tradition.<p>I went to return something to Amazon and though it was clearly their fault for sending the wrong item, the rep said “we’ll make a one time exception here” and I said fine whatever. Seems like there’s a Bezos precedent for this kind of “last time” approach lol

A while ago, the failing&#x2F;risks of banks that were too exposed to particular sectors (crypto&#x2F;blockchain) brought some discussion on the merits of diversification of key risks.<p>In a highly partisan landscape with increasing geopolitical tensions, is ownership a key risk to objective news? Is diversification of ownership of news sources a good way to help mitigate that? If so, any good ideas from the HN crowd?

For me, seeing a person or business consciously claim neutrality this year is reprehensible and impossibly out of touch. Whether Bezos likes it or not the business he is in comes with the assumption of an endorsement, and silence is an implicit endorsement. I’d never hold an individual to that standard but power comes with responsibility and this choice is putting his privilege on full display.

Funnily Bezos has probably made more for Harris by stopping the endorsement then if he let it go through. No one would have cared about the endorsement, now this story is everywhere..

I thought that having billions buys you freedom. Turns out you still have to lick the boot.

A single man issued an edict and ended decades of precedent&#x2F;history. All for the sake of the mighty dollar and ensuring his multibillion dollar fortune doesn’t take a tumble by a 5-10B in the _possibility_ the wrong candidate gets elected.<p>Everything is awful about this. What would it take WaPo away from this horrible person?

I find it strange that people are so upset about the absence of an opinion piece from this newspaper. What is the reason? Either you want to be told what to think, or you want everyone else to be told what to think. I think it is the latter. Would there be any outrage here if Fox news decided not to endorse a candidate? I highly doubt it. Some people may like being challenged on what they believe, which is good, but that&#x27;s probably the edge case

Related:<p><i>The Washington Post says it will not endorse a candidate for president</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41948631">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41948631</a>

It seems like it would be less polarizing if it was the default state for news and information outlets to not endorse any candidate ever and just remain as neutral as possible.

&gt; &quot;Katharine Graham the previous owner of the Washington Post during the Watergate years was threatened by Holden who famously said, and I will leave out a bit of the quote because it&#x27;s too crude to say out on the stage, but he said you tell Kate Graham if she prints that we&#x27;ll put here blank through a big fat ringer, and then they actually worked to try get their broadcast license resented, it&#x27;s completely un-American, so I guess the only thing I say is as Katharine Graham my role model I&#x27;m very willing to let any of my body parts go through a big fat ringer if need be.&quot; Jeff Bezos in 2016 when asked about Donald Trump. ^1<p>I don&#x27;t think he is pro Trump, but I think he just doesn&#x27;t want to be on his bad side just in case, just like Zuckerberg he tried to patch his relationship with Trump after he publicly threatened him<p>1: source <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=guVxubbQQKE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=guVxubbQQKE</a> 1:01:00

I like this trend of taking neutral positions that seems to be picking up again, although the timing for this doesn&#x27;t look good.<p>Just as how universities are starting to adopt neutrality, so should news outlets.

Good reason not to subscribe to the WP.

&#x27;Anticipatory obedience is a political tragedy.&#x27; ~Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smalldeedsdone.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;07&#x2F;09&#x2F;do-not-obey-in-advance-how-democrats-have-broken-the-first-rule&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smalldeedsdone.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;07&#x2F;09&#x2F;do-not-obey-in-advance...</a>

Strangely, the same people who call newspapers &quot;legacy&quot; are all over Twitter calling WP a failure and that people need to cancel their subscriptions.<p>There&#x27;s a trend among Tech Oligarchs to diminish the role of journalism. Seems to be all about getting slices of government contracts, if not controlling them.

We love to objectify the press and pretend they do a service to mankind, but they&#x27;re just another business.

Democracy dies in darkness was a promise, not a warning.

I&#x27;m going to rewrite something verbatim the other candidate posted on his social media network:<p><i>CEASE &amp; DESIST: I, together with many Attorneys and Legal Scholars, am watching the Sanctity of the 2024 Presidential Election very closely because I know, better than most, the rampant Cheating and Skullduggery that has taken place by the Democrats in the 2020 Presidential Election. It was a Disgrace to our Nation! Therefore, the 2024 Election, where Votes have just started being cast, will be under the closest professional scrutiny and, WHEN I WIN, those people that CHEATED will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law, which will include long term prison sentences so that this Depravity of Justice does not happen again. We cannot let our Country further devolve into a Third World Nation, AND WE WON’T! Please beware that this legal exposure extends to Lawyers, Political Operatives, Donors, Illegal Voters, &amp; Corrupt Election Officials. Those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught, and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, never seen before in our Country.</i><p>It is right here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;truthsocial.com&#x2F;@realDonaldTrump&#x2F;posts&#x2F;113369255491639591" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;truthsocial.com&#x2F;@realDonaldTrump&#x2F;posts&#x2F;1133692554916...</a><p>He&#x27;s right there saying it. We&#x27;re in a slow motion train wreck. Bezos is chickening out because of it.<p>You really might see the end of democracy in America within weeks. Trump is telling you he&#x27;s going to end it. One of the richest men in the world is listening to him.

I have no idea who to vote for now.

it&#x27;s all disagree and commit until the big boss comes and says to &quot;just commit&quot;. didn&#x27;t success and scale bring responsibility ?<p>i guess Bezos can bend the leadership principles back and forth the way it best fits his current needs.

I don&#x27;t think there could be a more powerful endorsement of Trump so far, much more than if Bezos&#x27;s paper actually printed an endorsement of him (which would have been laughed at):<p>It&#x27;s a signal of Trump as extraordinarily powerful, a stronger signal than probably anything else I&#x27;ve seen. That boosts his image among suppoters - remember power is what he sells - and will intimidate many, many more into complying. What journalists and business people, or any elite, will stand up to him now after Bezos and the Washington Post - probably the second most respected news organization in the country - have bent the knee. And it makes a Trump victory look more inevitable, a key selling point for anyone, but especially a populist.<p>When Los Angeles Times owner Patrick Soon-Shiong did the same thing recently, &quot;The Trump campaign swiftly shared the ... story with supporters.&quot; [0]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2024&#x2F;10&#x2F;24&#x2F;nx-s1-5163293&#x2F;la-times-editor-resigns-trump-msnbc-washington-post" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2024&#x2F;10&#x2F;24&#x2F;nx-s1-5163293&#x2F;la-times-editor...</a>

So they aren&#x27;t going to endorse either candidate.<p>If I didn&#x27;t have context about the situation, I&#x27;d say it makes sense. However I think that in this flawed two-party situation, there is unfairness on both sides, resulting in some sort of balance, and it&#x27;s bad that one of the richest people on earth could upset the balance in this way, especially at the last moment.<p>Article from 2020: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;opinions&#x2F;2020&#x2F;09&#x2F;28&#x2F;editorial-board-endorsement-joe-biden&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;opinions&#x2F;2020&#x2F;09&#x2F;28&#x2F;editorial...</a>

Ok, I actually RTFA and it just seems like a bunch of conjecture over what the reasons might be? Nobody actually knows?<p>And the editorial board&#x27;s comments seem a bit dramatic?<p><i>&quot;It represents an abandonment of the fundamental editorial convictions of the newspaper that we love, and for which we have worked a combined 218 years&quot;</i><p>How does it represent an abandonment? These editors have been sharing their convictions for the past combined 218 years. I don&#x27;t think any reader is going to ask &quot;I wonder who the Post is going to endorse&quot;?

WaPo endorsing Harris would have changed exactly 0 minds. Everyone that would have read it already agrees with them. But it would have made them feel good about their existing world view.<p>Them _not_ endorsing _will_ change minds. There are people that read Washington Post that would take that as a sign that not even their trusted left-leaning paper is 100% comfortable with the candidate they should have endorsed, so maybe there&#x27;s something there they should have hesitancy about too.

There&#x27;s an irony here, the WaPo news room has become <i>quite</i> political in the last decade. But the editorial board has decided to be apolitical.<p>Everything is backwards.

Not antagonizing the likely future POTUS is smart business especially when said future POTUS is known to lash out with retaliatory rhetoric and actions.

More interesting to me is that this is the third tech billionaire to take a decidedly different stance than he did previously. Musk is quite active, but even Zuckerberg took a much more neutral stance for 2024.<p>Honestly I&#x27;m more surprised that Bezos even bothered. Does he really think the endorsement of The Washington Post editorial board is so significant that it&#x27;s worth intervening? That seems implausible.

Did people really think that billionaires wanted to buy major press outlets for profit expectations?<p>Controlling the narrative was always the plan. Unless it&#x27;s private equity. They just strip it bare and put it out of business.

I&#x27;ve yet to see an argument against this not delivered in bad faith.<p>If the publication in question was the NY Post, Washington Times, or another center-right newspaper, the very same group currently having a collective meltdown on social media would be praising them with an equally melodramatic &quot;saving democracy&quot; or some other manufactured phrase du jour.

From Jacob Heilbrunn on the National Interest:<p># <i>The Capitulation of The Washington Post</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nationalinterest.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;jacob-heilbrunn&#x2F;capitulation-washington-post-213393" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nationalinterest.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;jacob-heilbrunn&#x2F;capitulati...</a>

Lots of press are declining to endorse. This is a trend.<p>It’s generally harmless for high-visibility elections. But these endorsements are both powerful and essential for lower-visibility elections.

It makes sense in so much as &quot;it&#x27;s a risk to our business to endorse Harris because of the risk of falling afoul of Trump&#x27;s vindictive nature should he win.&quot;<p>From a fiduciary standpoint, I agree with that assessment. From the standpoint of a citizen, I find the implication alarming.<p>I do believe that this is the reasoning behind the decision, but it is certainly speculation on my part.

I guess there&#x27;s no regulatory guidance here, on media ownership interfering with media op-ed operations ? Even when Bezos (probably) swore up and down he would never interfere ?

&gt; Scientific American makes second-ever endorsement, backs Kamala Harris. This is only the second time in the magazine&#x27;s 179-year history that it has made an endorsement in a presidential race<p>The first time they ever made an endorsement was (wait for it) 2020! Everything has become political these days.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.axios.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;scientific-american-kamala-harris-2024" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.axios.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;scientific-american-kamala-...</a>

Bezos utilizing unorthodox reverse psychology techniques to delegitimize trump and bolster support for harris

This is great. Now if they could also stop pretending there are only 2 options maybe we could one day have peace in the world.

Remember when 10,000 papers endorsed Hillary?

So we have reached the intimidation phase of this election, where businesses owners fear repercussions from Trump (or standing up against him) and his entourage for not supporting him.<p>Reminds me of a certain time in history.

My first thought is that it&#x27;s sad that a billionaire owner can override the will and culture of the journalists that compose the paper.<p>My second thought is that it&#x27;s really bad that this could have been done in order to help Blue Origin get government contracts.<p>Think about it, the actions of a <i>news paper</i> are being influenced by what&#x27;s best for a <i>aerospace company</i>. How did this happen? It happened because more and more companies, across all industries, are owned by fewer and fewer people.

&gt; CNBC has requested comment from Amazon.<p>According to the article, Jeff Bezos is presumably afraid that Trump would continue to punish Amazon. If that is the case, this seems like an entirely futile exercise.<p>Not that corporate PR responses are ever particularly illuminating. I read an article regarding information conveyed per syllable. English was near the top. Languages with less information per syllable like Spanish were spoken faster. In dead last place were PR statements from Fortune 500 companies.

This isn&#x27;t a normal election, or anything remotely close to it. It&#x27;d be lovely if we had TWO relatively normal candidates and could vote for them in our normal partisan ways.<p>You may have noticed that basically everyone in Trump&#x27;s first term cabinet has come out and called him things ranging from &quot;moron&quot; to &quot;fascist&quot; to a &quot;danger to the country&quot;. This is not normal. It&#x27;s extremely abnormal. It&#x27;s a warning to the country.<p>It&#x27;s at extraordinary times like these when the country needs some leadership, from the media as well as those in power, to highlight the danger. Many senior republicans have stepped up and announced they are going to vote for Harris. It&#x27;s a very poor look for a newspaper, faced with a once in a lifetime election like this, to effectively say &quot;we&#x27;re gonna sit this out out - we have no editorial opinion on who is better for the country&quot;. Very sad.

Surely the prospect of a nice little multi billion dollar defense contract from Trump would have nothing to do with it<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thehill.com&#x2F;homenews&#x2F;campaign&#x2F;4954591-trump-meets-blue-origin-leaders-bezos&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thehill.com&#x2F;homenews&#x2F;campaign&#x2F;4954591-trump-meets-bl...</a>

Weird, because in Trump’s last presidency he was pretty anti Jeff Bezos. But I guess however they feel about each other, the assumed business tax benefits of a trump presidency make him want trump

&quot;Democracy dies in darkness&quot;<p>and silence, apparently.

clearly bezos is concerned about the present administration&#x27;s policy regarding weapons exports

What a title. I read the first 3 words, and just had to keep reading the rest of it.

Good because newspapers should not be endorsing candidates.

The most kind way to read this is that he is concerned of reprisal, no different than the reprisal he faced from the Saudi government (with likely Trump assistance via David Pecker) in 2019.

Here’s an alternative take. Note, I’m absolutely not a Bezos fan. Maybe he <i>is</i> just chickening out against Trump and&#x2F;or fighting against the proposed billionaire tax (which IMO will never happen.)<p>But consider that 1) even with all the damage Trump could do, Bezos will still be richer than god, 2) Bezos did not instruct the Washington Post to endorse Trump, and 3) he doesn’t seem to have asked them to keep things quiet either.<p>So of course this story breaks and of course there is all this media hullabaloo with the upshot being everyone now:<p>* knows that the WaPo was about to endorse Harris.<p>* is reminded that Trump has made official decisions and improperly pressured government matters based on personal feelings.<p>* is aware that even the 2nd richest man in the world fears the personal ire of a presidential candidate in a democracy, ostensibly with a solid rule of law.<p>I hate that this comes across as “he’s the billionaire we deserve, but not the one we need right now, and oh, BTW he&#x27;s also playing 4D chess,&quot; but all this seems very expected. So maybe another way to look at this is: Bezos appears to submit to Trump, which in itself serves as a very publicly warning to the world about what will happen under Trump, and indirectly endorses Harris anyway.

What&#x27;s even the point of being a billionaire if you&#x27;re still scared of Trump?

There is definitely a quiet support among the faang owners for Trump.

Probably already mentioned in the comments below, but the subtext here is obvious. Bezos thinks Trump is very likely to win and he has killed this endorsement because it might screw his broad business interests in all kinds of ways under the administration of a vengeful Trump. The nature of Amazon makes it much more exposed to regulatory heat inside the U.S than would be the case for a more purely digital tech-driven firm like, say, Meta.<p>Aside from the likely cynicism of the move, the cliquish criticism of Bezos reeks of moralizing hypocrisy. Is there some exact moral duty among major tech company founders to effusively endorse specifically progressive, liberal elite-endorsed democrat candidates, to show their own kumbaya credentials? Bullshit. Even the ones who vigorously support democrat politicians are no less self interested in doing so. It almost always boils down to money and favorable regulations, whether someone supports the donkey or the elephant.

Does Bezos have uber-intel, and knows Trump is going to win?

Just like their motto:<p>&quot;Democracy dies in darkness&quot;<p>Hopefully there are no dark times ahead.

Actively making the Democrats chance of winning less likely for your own personal interests is shortsighted.<p>Jeff still needs customers, he needs a sane society where his businesses can operate from ?<p>Sorry but the leader of the Republican Party is completely unhinged. Bezos might get away with a tax break or avoid some other legal scrutiny or even Trumps gestapo hit squad,but wow, you’re giving up a lot for a little.<p>Actions like this completely undermine one of the main reasons people believe Trump should be president. Which is that he is too rich to be bought. Well, look at the rich people being bought by their own greed and shortsightedness now.

Cannot in any way understand why this is an actual issue. Sheesh If more newspapers would stay out of endorsing political parties we would live in a better world.<p>Frankly leftist newspaper propaganda has done little but make the rightist ( especially the ones with a racist agenda ) political parties expand massively.<p>Every election i. almost any european country is showing this trend.<p>Why on earth are you all flaming this? Because it means its a hidden Trump support? Kamala is immensly unpopular, outside of all the glam endorsements. She is no Obama thats for sure. How abour adressing the root cause of that?<p>Wow I wish every newspaper was properly unbiased.<p>tldr I think you are all idiots for outrage over lack of proper political bias in a newspaper.

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A cowards way of endorsing Trump, to be honest.

He knows something

The irony I see is that all of the &quot;reporters&quot; who resign(ed) will soon be pitching their Substacks on Twitter.

I think the endorsement was just bad journalism or bad writing and Bezos just did not want to risk it. If such an endorsement would come out in such a divided climate, then i would want it to be excellent. Maybe it was just partisan.<p>Who knows.

Evidence that Bezos might have had good reasons to nix his paper&#x27;s endorsement: the Nation withdrew its earlier endorsement of Haris:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thenation.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;politics&#x2F;kamala-harris-counter-endorsement&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thenation.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;politics&#x2F;kamala-harris-cou...</a>

So why is it that this is about money and Amazon contracts? Why isn&#x27;t it about Kamala just being so bad, in Bezos&#x27;s eyes, that she doesn&#x27;t deserve an endorsement. I think that&#x27;s way more likely.<p>I am not surprised however that the liberal media will look for any problem over admitting it&#x27;s their own candidate that&#x27;s the problem.<p>Bezos owns 9% of Amazon. His personal share of any 10bn contract might be a few hundred million over many years. He doesn&#x27;t care!