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GLP-1s are among the most important drug breakthroughs

58 点作者 car7 个月前

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vladsanchez7 个月前
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datahack7 个月前
The long-term side effects of GLP-1 drugs are not well-studied, but the press seems to talk about them as if they are—in glowing terms as if their broad adoption is a given and a lifetime attached to the tit of a friendly drug company (with your credit card inserted) is merely a temporary problem.<p>I think we need to greet this whole class of drugs with skepticism, if for no other reason than they’re being a pharma companies’ wet dream of a product. The incentives to interrupt their rollout don’t exist.<p>I’m aware of the wide range of benefits, and understand they may end up saving lives. But skepticism is warranted here.
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_fat_santa7 个月前
I would say it&#x27;s one of the most important breakthroughs of the 21st century, but as far as the most important breakthrough&#x27;s ever? Sorry, antibiotics, penicillin and ivermectin hold the podium for that accomplishment.<p>I equate GLP1 hype in the medical industry to AI hype in the tech industry. Yes it&#x27;s an important breakthrough but there are other much more important breakthroughs that humans have achieved in the past.
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xattt7 个月前
I’ve noticed anecdotal unfounded spitefulness towards people who use GLP1s.<p>I don’t know if it’s rooted in jealousy over access the drug (either via insurance or having a provider willing to prescribe) or whether it’s because people see those who take it for weight loss as “cheating”.
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car7 个月前
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Cheer21717 个月前
sure, if you forget about ether anesthesia, penicillin, synthetic insulin, progestin&#x2F;estrogen, AZT, SSRIs, chemotherapy, immunotherapy, statins, corticosteroids .....
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littlestymaar7 个月前
These are drugs designed to fight back against the food industry and its abusive practices which damaged the lives of millions of people without consequences.<p>But what will happen from now on? Will the obesity industry cave, or will they try to fight back and overcome the effects of the drugs with even shadier practices? Option 1 sounds overly optimistic to be honest…
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iambateman7 个月前
Serious question - is this article sponsored?<p>It…feels…sponsored.
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sasaf57 个月前
I find it philosophical that suddenly everyone wants to take a medicine to stop wanting food. &quot;I want to not want, but I can&#x27;t help but wanting, so I want a medicine to make me stop wanting...&quot;
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dartharva7 个月前
Jesus, Ozempic and the weight loss drugs &quot;revolution&quot; are all what the Economist seems to talk about these days. For the past week it&#x27;s literally the only thing they have been focusing on, world economy be damned.
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Eumenes7 个月前
Ctrl + F &quot;antibiotics&quot;, Ctrl + F &quot;penicillin&quot; ... seriously?
nameless9127 个月前
Okay, here&#x27;s the thing.<p>I Totally get that GLP-1&#x27;s are absolute medical breakthroughs. But they are a _serious_ societal problem, IMO. My partner and I are both larger-bodied people; both our BMI&#x27;s (it&#x27;s a terrible measurement, I&#x27;m aware) hover just over 30. We&#x27;ve done a lot of work to destigmatize our own bodies and accept who we are so that we can teach our kids to have healthy self-images and not suffer the dysmorphia that we both went through for decades. We&#x27;re active, we eat well, and we have great lives; we just aren&#x27;t _thin_.<p>My partner has a new coworker who just started on Wegovy and has been poisoning my partner&#x27;s brain with her terrible self talk. She calls herself a &quot;fat bitch&quot; at work, and raves about how excited she is to &quot;lose all the fucking weight&quot; before her wedding next fall, and it&#x27;s bad enough that my partner has had to talk to her manager and HR about it. It&#x27;s bad enough that my partner broke down the other day and told me she&#x27;s struggling to see herself as anything other than overweight and unhealthy because the negative sentiment her coworker has of _her_ body is leaking onto everyone else.<p>These medications are absolutely essential for _some_ people who need to lose weight for medical reasons or need the other benefits they provide. But, they&#x27;ve also unlocked a cheat code for losing weight, and people like my partner&#x27;s new coworker are focusing on only that aspect. The potential societal effects of making weight loss easier than ever before are kinda terrifying to me. I don&#x27;t know what I&#x27;ll say to my kids if they end up with our body type and come to me one day asking to go on Ozempic or Wegovy because &quot;all the kids at school are doing it&quot; and &quot;being thin is what&#x27;s normal now&quot;. I&#x27;m so scared that we&#x27;ve opened up a Pandora&#x27;s box of making thin even more of an expectation because it&#x27;s &quot;easy&quot; now.<p>I guess my point is, I _really_ wish the FDA would step in and make it clear that these medications are not to be prescribed for cosmetic weight loss, and they should bring the hammer down on online pharmacies like Hers (which is where my partner&#x27;s coworker got her Wegovy).<p>EDIT: there are a bunch of folks in the replies telling me I&#x27;m lying to myself and misserving my kids by accepting myself. That&#x27;s...odd, to say the least. Every metric I have that isn&#x27;t my weight is perfectly fine. My blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is normal, my A1C is normal, my blood sugar is normal, my doctor and I are very happy with my health. The number on the scale is _a_ representation of your health, but it&#x27;s not the only or even best one. And the impact on my mental health has been astounding. I&#x27;m not going to change my mind about my weight because a bunch of folks using an extremely outdated metric of overall health tell me my number is bad.
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nonameiguess7 个月前
Does this seriously need to be a first-page discussion topic on Hacker News every single day from now until eternity? Can this just become a pinned thread or part of an FAQ or Wiki or something?<p>I say this facetiously knowing Hacker News doesn&#x27;t have those features, but what do these posts hope to achieve that hasn&#x27;t already been achieved?<p>We&#x27;ll see some variety of:<p>- Isn&#x27;t it all just because of weight loss? Well, read the damn article because the author sure claims at least some effects don&#x27;t seem to be because of weight loss.<p>- Isn&#x27;t it all just because of eating less in general being good for you? If you&#x27;re overweight, sure. If you&#x27;re weight stable, seemingly you can&#x27;t just eat less or you&#x27;ll eventually starve to death.<p>- I&#x27;m worried about the long-term side effects we don&#x27;t know about. Well, GLP-1 agonists have been approved for human use as a diabetes treatment for 20 years, so at what point are you expecting these to show up?<p>- Isn&#x27;t this an amphetamine? No, it isn&#x27;t.<p>- Isn&#x27;t this addictive? No, it isn&#x27;t.<p>- What about all the horrible side effects? The side effect profile for these drugs are among the most mild of all regular use drugs you can take. The few severe effects are incredibly rare and the most common issues with nausea are heavily dose-dependent and tend to go away after a while.<p>- Don&#x27;t you need to increase the dose forever? No, you don&#x27;t. The Ozempic is pretty low and stays low. The Wegovy dose is much higher but still capped, and if you see increasing dosages, it&#x27;s because of titration to find the needed amount without overwhelming you all at once and taking more than you need.<p>- Why didn&#x27;t the body just evolve this itself? The human body, all mammal bodies, and possibly other animals do in fact produce GLP-1. It isn&#x27;t very long-lasting in serum, though, so medical researchers figured out how to make an analog that won&#x27;t break down in minutes. That&#x27;s all these drugs are, something your body already makes but a longer lasting version. GLP-1 is, in fact, secreted in response to eating, and is one of the signals the body produces telling you to stop eating when you&#x27;ve had enough. This mechanism seems to be broken for one reason or another in many people, and those people end up obese. Increasing the level exogeneously seems to help, as you might expect.<p>Is there anything else that is going to come up? Because it sure feels like the exact same back and forth, every single day.
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