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Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

363 点作者 retskrad6 个月前

33 条评论

jchw6 个月前
Well, firstly, it isn&#x27;t. There are higher Geekbench 6 CPU scores, even forgetting the ones that appear to be fake or at least broken.<p>But secondly, that would absolutely not indicate that it is the &quot;fastest single-core performer in consumer computing&quot;. That would indicate that it is the highest scoring Geekbench 6 CPU in consumer computing.<p>Whether or not that&#x27;s actually a good proxy for the former statement is up to taste, but in my opinion it&#x27;s not. It gives you a rough idea of where the performance stands, but what you really need to be able to compare CPUs is a healthy mix of synthetic benchmarks and real-world workloads. Things like the time it takes to compile some software, scores in video game benchmarks, running different kinds of computations, time to render videos in Premiere or scenes in Blender, etc.<p>In practice though, it&#x27;s hard to make a good Apples-to-Intels performance comparison, since it will wind up crossing both OS boundaries and CPU architecture boundaries, which adds a lot of variables. At least real world tests will give an idea of what it would be like day-to-day even if it doesn&#x27;t necessarily reveal truisms about which CPU is the absolute best design.<p>Of course it&#x27;s reasonable to use Geekbench numbers to get an idea of where a processor stands, especially relative to similar processors, but making a strong claim like this based off of Geekbench numbers is pretty silly, all things considered.<p>Still... these results are truly quite excellent. It would suffice to say that if you did take the time to benchmark these processors you would find the M4 processor performs extremely well against other processors, including ones that suck up more juice for sure, but this isn&#x27;t too surprising overall. Apple is already on the TSMC N3E process, whereas AMD is currently using TSMC N4P and Intel is currently using TSMC N3B on their most cutting edge chips. So on top of any advantages they might have for other reasons (like jamming the RAM onto the CPU die, or simply better processor design) they <i>also</i> have a process node advantage.
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post_break6 个月前
What&#x27;s crazy is that the M4 Pro is in the Mac mini, something so tiny can handle that chip. The Mac Studio with the M4 Max will be awesome but the Mini is remarkable.
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eigenspace6 个月前
I&#x27;ll admit to some reflexive skepticism here. I know GeekBench at least used to be considered an entirely unserious indicator of performance and any discussion relating to its scores used to be drowned out by people explaining why it was so bad.<p>Do those criticisms still hold? Are serious people nowadays taking Geekbench to be a reasonably okay (though obviously imperfect) performance metric?
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xbenjii6 个月前
I&#x27;m confused. They&#x27;re claiming &quot;Apple’s M4 Max is the first production CPU to pass 4000 Single-Core score in Geekbench 6.&quot; yet I can see hundreds of other test results for single core performance above 4000 in the last 2 years?
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asmvolatile6 个月前
All I want is a top of the line MBP, with all it’s performance and insane battery life, but running a Linux distro of my choice :(
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SamAsEnd6 个月前
Am I missing something? I don&#x27;t know where this informations came from, but you can check out GeekBench v6 single-core benchmarks here.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;browser.geekbench.com&#x2F;v6&#x2F;cpu&#x2F;singlecore" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;browser.geekbench.com&#x2F;v6&#x2F;cpu&#x2F;singlecore</a>
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carlgreene6 个月前
I have been out of the PC world for a long time, but in terms of performance efficiency, is Apple running away from the competition? Or are AMD and Intel producing similar performing chips at the same wattage?
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silvestrov6 个月前
So what is the role of the Mac Studio now?<p>It only has:<p>- faster memory and up to 192 GB.<p>- 1 ekstra Thunderbolt port.<p>That is not much for such a large price difference:<p>Mac Mini (fastest CPU, 64 GB ram, 1 TB SSD, 10 GbE): $2500<p>Mac Studio (fastest CPU, 64 GB ram, 1 TB SSD, 10 GbE): $5000
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bhouston6 个月前
This confuses me because I thought all of the Mx series chips in the same generation ran at the same speed and has the same single-core capabilities?<p>The main thing that caused differential single-core CPU performance was just throttling under load for the devices that didn&#x27;t have active cooling, such as the MacBook Air and iPad Pros.<p>Based on this reasoning, the M4, M4 Pro and M4 Max in active cooled devices, the MacBook Pro and Mac Mini, should have the same single-core performance ratings, no?
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rubslopes6 个月前
I have a M1 MacBook Air that I use for Docker, VSCode, etc. And it still runs very smoothly. Interestingly, the only times it slows down is when opening Microsoft Excel.
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dwayne_dibley6 个月前
How impressed should I be. In terms of Apples history of manufacturing chips compared to, say, intel. This is their 4th generation of the M chip and it seems to be so far ahead of intel, a company with significant bigger history of chip production.
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8f2ab37a-ed6c6 个月前
Too bad it&#x27;s still sluggish for latest tech game dev with engines like UE :( It&#x27;d be great to ditch the Windows ecosystem, at least at dev time.
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grahamj6 个月前
So Ultra used to be the max but now Max is max… until Ultra goes past the max and Max is no longer the max.<p>Until the next Max that goes beyond Ultra!
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LorenDB6 个月前
How many people does this actually affect? Gamers are better off with AMD X3D chips, and most productivity workloads need good multicore performance. Obviously MR is great silicon and I don&#x27;t want to downplay that, but I&#x27;m not sure that best singlecore performance is an overly useful metric for the people who need performance.
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necovek6 个月前
Obviously, it&#x27;s not all about the power: I see a lot of comments here about heat, fans and comfort. And everyone is comparing against old Intel Macs, but if that&#x27;s what you cared about, the benchmark must have been the Thinkpad X1 Carbon.<p>And Macs still can&#x27;t match that with their crappy keyboards, case strength and ergonomics (no sharp edges), spill-protection and non-glossy screens (remember, these are laptops to be used out and about — though I&#x27;ve only used M1&#x2F;M2 Airs, M1 Max Pro 14 and M2 Pros 13&#x2F;14, so maybe the newer ones are better).<p>X1 Carbons have mostly moved to higher performing Intel chips, and thus lost those silent &amp; cool characteristics, but other than the obvious (performance vs comfort), they are still my preferred choice in laptops.
ggernov6 个月前
Can&#x27;t wait to see if &#x2F; when they release the m4 ultra.
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jeffbee6 个月前
Anybody got a Speedometer 3.0 result from the M4 Max? It seems more relevant to &quot;consumer computing&quot;.
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daft_pink6 个月前
Can’t wait for the Mac Studio&#x2F;Pro to be released.
rldjbpin6 个月前
besides the usual caveat of unreleased hardware leak, relying on geekbench as a metric for performance is as useful as userbenchmark.<p>semantics rant: on another note, where is the line between &quot;consumer&quot; and &quot;prosumer&quot;&#x2F;&quot;enthusiast&quot; hardware in terms of pricing? over 3000 usd before taxes seems well in the latter camp in my books.<p>on other hand, most enterprise hardware is not optimized for single-core performance. even to my knowledge, the configurations for algo-trading machines are comparable to consumer hardware, if not slower.
whalesalad6 个月前
Wild. It absolutely shits on my 13900K - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;browser.geekbench.com&#x2F;v6&#x2F;cpu&#x2F;compare&#x2F;7692643?baseline=8593555" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;browser.geekbench.com&#x2F;v6&#x2F;cpu&#x2F;compare&#x2F;7692643?baselin...</a>
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linotype6 个月前
Intel should be utterly embarrassed.
Rapzid6 个月前
The perf and power use is nice but I don&#x27;t need the dual architecture stuff in my professional life.<p>Been extremely happy with Windows and WSL last couple years, so happy to be a node or two behind on AMD laptops.<p>Otherwise I use a workstation primarily anyway.
QuiEgo6 个月前
It’s so refreshing after the normal “here’s today’s enshitification of this thing you used to love” threads to read threads like this.
hanniabu6 个月前
Good enough to be used for gaming? Really want Apple to get into that because dealing with Windows sucks.
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gigel826 个月前
Was this verified independently? Because people can submit all sorts of results for Geekbench scores. Look at all these top scorers (most of which are obviously fake or overclocked chips): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;browser.geekbench.com&#x2F;v6&#x2F;cpu&#x2F;singlecore" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;browser.geekbench.com&#x2F;v6&#x2F;cpu&#x2F;singlecore</a>
haccount6 个月前
And priced as the rest of them together.
bee_rider6 个月前
This is almost certainly a dumb question, but has anybody tried using these for scientific computing&#x2F;HPC type stuff?<p>I mean no Infiniband of course, but how bad would a cluster of these guys using Thunderbolt 5 for networking be? 80Gbps is not terrible…
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DeathArrow6 个月前
I don&#x27;t trust Geekbench.
Thaxll6 个月前
&quot;in Geekbench 6.&quot;
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crazymoka6 个月前
unfortunately I could only afford the M4 Pro model MBP lol
mattlondon6 个月前
For how long? There are a lot of superlatives (&quot;simply incredible&quot; etc) - when some new AMD or Intel CPU beats this score, will that be &quot;simply incredible&quot; too?<p>New chips are slightly faster than previous ones. I am not incredulous about this. Were it a 2x or 3x or 4x improvement or something, sure. But it ain&#x27;t - it&#x27;s incremental. I note how even in the Apple marketing they compare it to generations 3 or 4 chips ago (e.g. comparing increases against i7 performance from years ago etc, not against the M3 from a year or so ago because then it is &quot;only&quot; 12% - still good, but not &quot;simply incredible&quot; in my eyes).
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hulitu6 个月前
&gt; Apple&#x27;s M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing<p>Single taskink OSs are long gone. Single core performance is irrelevant in the world of multitasking&#x2F;multithreading&#x2F; preemtible threads.
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ChrisArchitect6 个月前
[dupe] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42014791">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42014791</a>
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